[PRCo] Re: 1936___Flood -Verona

[John Swindler]

The Verona line shows up on this link, courtesy of Derrick.

   ..... those historical maps from docs.unh.edu,
which had Pennsylvania before it was removed, and which I had some of
mirrored on usgshist.dementia.org, are now back online:

http://historical.maptech.com

As for track under pavement near Hulton Bridge:  Yea, the rail is still 
there.

There was a two block stretch immediately south of Hulton Bridge that was 
still uncovered in early  1960s.  Yes, I remember the brick pavement, but 
not the color.  South of this two block section of single track in center of 
street, entire roadway was blacktop.  Now wish I'd taken some notes and 
pixs, but guess not very historically minded as a teen.

Another image was passing a car - had to have been double end low floor - at 
end of Laketon Road.  This last surviving section of rt. 78 lasted into 
early 1950s.

John




>From: Matt Barry <mrb190+ at pitt.edu>
>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: 1936___Flood -Verona
>Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 16:03:26 -0500
>
>You mentioned the Verona line, Fred.
>
>I believe the Verona line was abandoned in 1937.
>
>What does the group know about this line?
>
>I know bits and pieces, and please correct me if I am wrong about these.
>
>It began it's routing at Braddock and Forbes Avenue.  Travelling through
>Wilkinsburg to Laketon Road, then up Monitor and then onto prw alongside
>Verona Road.   My nephews, who used to romp through that section of Penn
>Hills in their youth in the 1980's, tell me there were still ties and
>some trackage on the hillside next to Verona Road, between Frankstown
>Road and Sandy Creek Road.  That portion also held junked automobiles at
>that time -- perhaps it still does to this day.   (Hmmm...junked
>automobiles on abandoned trolley tracks, how ironic.) A map in the
>waiting room of  McCrackin Ford on McKnight Road in the North Hills
>shows a the carline pathway in that area,  and it is labelled "old
>Verona carline."
>
>When the line neared the intersection of Verona Road and Sandy Creek
>Road, it would seem to me that there may have been a trestle to carry it
>over this intersection.   Anyone know?
>
>  From there, I believe the line crossed over Verona Road and went down
>Third Street either directly on Third or on paralleling prw.  It dipped
>down into Verona and from there, I don't exactly know how it made it's
>way into Oakmont.  I have read stories in Oakmont and Verona history
>booklets that briefly describe some stories about the bridge or bridges
>that carried the cars into Oakmont from Verona, as troublesome.
>Apparently they were wooden and prone to fires.   The stories are sketchy.
>
>In the late 1960's, I distinctly recall seeing the last segment of
>Allegheny River Blvd,  in Oakmont near Hulton Road, as being yellow
>brick with a section of black asphalt going straight up the middle of
>it.   Seeing this, I assumed that beneath that asphalt lie a single line
>car track.
>
>I also know that early route planners were considering connecting up the
>88/87 trackage on Frankstown Avenue in Homewood, with the Verona
>trackage.  Of course, it never happened, but had it it happened, one
>wonders if the route would have lasted beyond 1937.
>
>Matt
>
>Fred Schneider wrote:
>
> >My parents lived in a rented home in Oakmont at the time.   Dad took
> >quite a few pictures of Oakmont and Verona in the flood.  Sadly, as he
> >got older the mind was no longer clear.  He threw everything out without
> >the slightest question about their value.   There is a common picture
> >that the Pittsburgh Press published (the marooned photographer probably
> >walked out of their inbound loading dock onto the Pennsylvania Railroad
> >elevated) showing a streetcar on Liberty or Penn in water up to the roof
> >carlines (that would be something above nine feet of water on the
> >street).   I think I may have the newspapers but finding them in this
> >pit is problematic.
> >As I recall from the route cards, every route was shut down which
> >implies not that every line was under water but that the Duquesne Light
> >plant on Brunot's Island was inundated.   The Oakmont - Verona line was
> >never restored to service but that needs more research to determine if
> >it was flood related or not.  The actually route was mostly above flood
> >stage and also in paved streets in the Allegheny River valley.  If there
> >was any flood damage, it might have been from gullies that fed
> >tributaries to the Allegheny such as Sandy Creek.  I think think that
> >line had simply expired from an overdose of gasoline.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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