[PRCo] Re: Arden Progress

[Boris Cefer]

But there was no shaft between the upper unit and the lower one. The lower
drum carried only resistors and had no moving parts.

I think some PCCs in Europe (Madrid?) had naturally ventilated accelerators.
Brutal. I exactly know all problems of WE accelerator and don't understand
this.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Schneider" <fschnei at supernet.com>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 3:39 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Arden Progress


> I have no idea how they ventilated it.  We both know it needed a good
blast of
> air, preferably in one side and out the other.  Your scheme would not have
> allowed it on the same shaft because it had to run backwards if upside
down.
> Who the hell do I ask today?  The people who did that job are dead now.
>
> Boris Cefer wrote:
>
> > Yes, it did. But I am waiting for Fred's question what was under the
glass.
> > It has something to do with teasing. Because I think it wasn't true
> > accelerator!
> >
> > Boris
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Harold Geissenheimer" <transitmgr2 at earthlink.net>
> > To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:51 PM
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: Arden Progress
> >
> > > Greetings
> > > Didnt thePRC PCC instruction car have a glass over the controller?
> > >
> > > Harold
> > >
> > > Fred Schneider wrote:
> > >
> > > >You didn't hear me argue with you.  I'm smiling.
> > > >
> > > >The engineer in me says grrrrreat.  The museum manager in me says no,
> > because
> > > >the public would not understand.  They can recognize complexity, but
not
> > > >differences between a B2 and a B3.
> > > >
> > > >Really, the purpose of a museum is to educate and demonstrate, and if
it
> > works,
> > > >good.  The only trolley museum I know of that cut open a car to show
how
> > it was
> > > >made was not run by railfans ... it is the city owned operation in
> > Scranton
> > > >which took a Birney and carved it up to show the public the different
> > parts.
> > > >Someone there must have looked across the street at the steam engine
that
> > was
> > > >carved up by the National Park Service to show the same thing.  And
guess
> > what?
> > > >The public looks at it and relates to it.  While I'm not supporting
> > taking a
> > > >torch to something really significant like the Derby, Connecticut
freight
> > > >locomotive at Branford, I'm certainly not going to take offense at
> > butchering
> > > >one of the many New Orleans 800s or Boston Type 5s or PCCs to show
how
> > they were
> > > >put together.  How about a PCC laying on its side to show its belly?
Or
> > with a
> > > >glass floor?  (Would scratch, wouldn't it?)
> > > >
> > > >I liked the response.  It gives me entertainment.
> > > >
> > > >Boris Cefer wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>And what about to make 1613 (its repair isn't sheduled yet) with one
> > half in
> > > >>PRCo paint and second half in ugly PAT gray. And front truck B-3 and
> > rear
> > > >>B-2. Did I say I'm an engineer? Cheeze whiz!
> > > >>
> > > >>B
> > > >>
> > > >>----- Original Message -----
> > > >>From: "Fred Schneider" <fschnei at supernet.com>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>3.  And what about Pittsburgh Railways 4398?  Justin told me has to
> > > >>>start on it on May 13th.   That will be the car that cannot ever be
> > > >>>restored to one time frame without a great deal of effort and our
own
> > > >>>gold mine.  Pittsburgh changed them so much over time that there
may
> > not
> > > >>>have been a handful of identical cars by the time they were
scrapped.
> > > >>>Some had level floors, some drop center.  Some had center doors
that
> > > >>>worked; some had blocked center doors with seats added.  Some had
25
> > hp
> > > >>>motors, some 37 hp.  Some went to the scrap yard with Jones
control,
> > > >>>some had the Westinghouse copy of GE type M, and others had K-35
> > > >>>control.  I would not surprise me if at least one got a K43 out of
a
> > > >>>4100 at some point.  Bells were on the roof, some were under the
floor.
> > > >>>Some were scrapped as two man cars, some as one man cars.  Brake
ratios
> > > >>>were changed on some cars.    What a wonderful chance to make a
Jones
> > > >>>car on one side and a one-man K car on the other!
> > > >>>
> > > >>>That out to stir up a little hate mail?
> > > >>>
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