[PRCo] Re: PRCo__Interurbans

[James B. Holland]

Fred Schneider wrote:

> Interesting. 20 kw versus 10 kw. But my background is insufficient to 
> tell me what this means in terms of comfort. But it does say that 
> someone thought about the problem up front ... PRC's engineering staff 
> was not totally oblivious to the different demands of city and 
> interurban service.
>
> I think the tape was more likely a result of less than adequate 
> maintenance as the cars aged. It would be easier to cure a heat damper 
> problem with tape so that there is less cold air coming into the car.


I believe the tape Mr.Tennyson referred to was put over the curved end 
of the roof monitor on ALL 1700s, not just the interurbans.       Look 
at photos of newly delivered equipment  --  definite gap between monitor 
and roof at the rounded front end of the monitor.       These URLs 
clearly show the cars as delivered WithOut Tape::

http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/pitt155.htm

http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/pitt142.htm

http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/pitt156.htm

http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/pitt144.htm


Tape was later placed over this end and remained until The End!       
Never saw tape over the side screening  --  nothing for tape to stick to 
here  --  tape wouldn't stay on screen very long.       The following 
show the tape over the end:::::::

http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/pitt143.htm

http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/pitt138.htm

http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/pitt141.htm

http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/pitt140.htm

http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/pitt114.htm

http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/pitt122.htm

http://206.103.49.193/pitts/htm/pitt127.htm  --  tape pulled loose here!!


Coverings of metal  *may*  have been placed over the screening but don't 
know if it was the 17s, 1600, or 1630  --  Probably None Of These.       
Seems I saw a reference to such but not a clear memory.

The small air scoops fore and aft on the 16s and 15s were regularly 
covered in winter In The East End but Not in the South Hills  --  donut 
know why that is!       Don't know about North  --  didn't go over there 
much.


Jim__Holland



> Boris Cefer wrote:
>
>> According to original wiring diagram, interurbans had 20 kW heaters, 
>> city cars 10 kW heaters. If PRCo disconnected the circuits or reduced 
>> the number of heating elements, I don't know :-)
>>
>> In any case, during cast at higher speeds the accelerator provided 
>> heating capacity of approx. 12 kW, but I have no idea how the 
>> thermostat control handled the air circulation. Did the 
>> thermostatically controlled accelerator doors send it into the 
>> interior or outside the car???
>>
>> Boris
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "James B. Holland" <PRCoPCC at P-R-Co.com>
>>
>>> How Many?
>>>
>>> As PCC books say, dynamic brake was primary source of heating with 
>>> supplement heaters for colder climes!
>>>
>>> Even in the 1950s when the Interurban lines were shortened it was 
>>> still mighty cold up front - that long run from Ft. Couch road 
>>> outbound to near Walters is where it was particularly noticeable on 
>>> Drake!
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim__Holland
>>