[PRCo] Re: Kodachrome film

[James B. Holland]

Could we sum up and say:::::::???????

ImPerfect World  --  In Fact, Extremely Far From Perfect

                A--N--D

Everything  Has  Both  Advantages  AND  Disadvantages.

NO--Thing  And  NO-One  will last  FOREVER  --

just a matter of acclimating to what is available.



Digital Quite Convenient, easily shared, easily copied, easily printed, 
easily.......!!!!!!!

Film Not Bad  --  just a Fading Technology! :-D



The quotes below go to an extreme to denigrate film  --  Very Similar 
can be said of Absolutely Anything on Any Planet!       Film served its 
purpose quite admirably for Many Decades.       Digital will serve quite 
admirably for the foreseeable future and shall Most Probably be replaced 
by another technology, totally unseen at this point in time.       And 
the tech that replaces Digital will make statements about digital not 
unlike those against film below!

P-S::       How long did it take to discover the cracked tank?




Bill Robb wrote:

> There's an article on digital photography in September 2005 Railfan & 
> Railroad with a couple of interesting quotes:
>
> "Much of the complaining over digital images has been the work of a 
> small but vocal minority."
>
> "Even the much acclaimed Kodachrome, once the standard in longevity, 
> will begin to fade after just two minutes of cumulative projection. 
> Show a shot for ten seconds twelve times, and your slide is 
> irreparably damaged."
>
> Speaking of longevity, do any of you with large, unique collections 
> have a will or a willing will to protect your collection and ensure 
> your wishes are carried out should something unexpected happen to 
> you?    Most of us are past 50 at least. Ray Neilson the producer of 
> the GPS traction videos recently passed away relatively quickly and 
> only in his 50s.
>
> I see advantages to digital (ability to make multiple copies, multiple 
> storage mediums: CDs, memory cards and print; and keeping the original 
> in your hands).
>
> Have any of you ever lost a roll of film, had a roll of film break in 
> the camera or had the film damaged when sent in for processing? We 
> tend to forget these things years later. I lost a roll of Pittsburgh 
> traction slides with a break in a roll of film in the 70s. Oh, how 
> that hurt!
>
> Kodachrome is no longer readily available outside of the big city 
> speciality camera stores these days it seems. For most part I use 
> digital now, with a professional print of the photos I like. I also 
> backup my images on CD. I don't trust my computer's hard drive. Never 
> have, never will. But I only take photos for my own enjoyment. I don't 
> profess to be trying to document history, although in its own way each 
> photo documents history whether or not I intend it to. :) It's just a 
> great way to enjoy myself.
>
> One thing to remember, prints can survive getting wet in a flood. Most 
> can be restored. After all what is in an old-fashioned dark room? On 
> the other hand, anything digital would be destroyed. This is why it 
> pays to have print copy. And floods don't just have to be from below. 
> Today many tiolet tanks develop cracks and start pumping and pumping....
>
> Bill Robb
>
>
>
> --- Fred Schneider <fschnei at supernet.com> wrote:
>
>> And there are pictures of yours truly as an infant in 1940 that have 
>> not faded materially. Must of my Ektachromes from 1960 are shot. 
>> Dad's Ektachromes are badly faded as well as his Anscochromes and 
>> Anscocolor slides. However, I've been told that most of the films not 
>> have a similar dye longevity and at age 65, what do I care? Where am 
>> I going to put 10,000 general interest slides anyway? Furthermore, no 
>> one seems to be concerned with whether or not they can read digital 
>> files next year. And our own census department can't read the tapes 
>> from the 1960 census.
>>
>> Bob Rathke wrote:
>>
>>> I agree, Fred. That's why on fantrips and runbys I usually take up a 
>>> photo position hundreds of yards away from the railfan crowd. And 
>>> while riding a trolley or train I've been known to photograph the 
>>> curious local residents on the street rather than the car or train 
>>> I'm riding in.
>>
>>> I've been shooting Kodachrome since 1957 because, in the words of 
>>> Paul Simon, "They give us those nice bright colors." I was burned by 
>>> the awful color shifts in Ektachome film in 1960-61, while - happily 
>>> - after 48 years, Kodachrome has proven that its color lasts.
>>
>>>
>>> Bob 8/18/05
>>>
>>> -----------------------------
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Fred Schneider" <fschnei at supernet.com>
>>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:25 PM
>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Kodachrome film
>>>
>>>> Long ago I came to the conclusion that railfans were hampered by 
>>>> the opinions of too many of their friends, and that the best 
>>>> railroad photographs were taken not by railfans but by journalists 
>>>> whom no one had told that 1) people should not be included, 2) that 
>>>> the rods had to be down, 3) that the doors had to be closed, 4) 
>>>> that only the right side could be photographed, and so forth. Is 
>>>> the use of Kodachrome just one more example or is it simply that we 
>>>> were burned too many times with the dye longevity of other emulsions?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> P. S. I count people like Philip Hastings, David Plowden, and Jim 
>>>> Shaughnessy as photo journalists because they earned many a check 
>>>> for their work and we know that Ted Benson and
>>>
>> Winston Link earned their living that way. These men are (were) 
>> masters (in the biased opinion of Fred).
>>
>>>>
>>>> Bob Rathke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I had a meeting in the Loop today, so I took the Metra train downtown.
>>>>
>>>>> On the way back to Union Station, I stopped at Central Camera to 
>>>>> buy some slide storage boxes, and I found that they had a large 
>>>>> supply of Kodachrome 200 film at $8 per 36-exposure roll, so I 
>>>>> stocked up.
>>>>
>>>>> When I was checking out, the clerk said to me, "You take railroad 
>>>>> photos, don't you?" I answered, "Yes, how do you know?" He said 
>>>>> that Central sells most of its Kodachrome film to railroad 
>>>>> photographers.
>>>>
>>>>> Bob 8/18/05
>>>>



Jim__Holland


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