[PRCo] Re: JTC

[James B. Holland]

Bob Rathke wrote:

> Growing up in Pittsburgh with its outer loop to downtown and return 
> routes, it was confusing the first times that I visited Johnstown and 
> tried to figure out its through-downtown routes.


                And this type of system greatly confuses  
*Route__Length.*       Railfans would boast about Long Car Lines in 
their cities because they were through routed    ----    LA-LA-LAnd  
LATL  comes to mind.       So why doesn't Pgh. combine Charleroi with 
Trafford as one line?!?!?!?!       Miss your switch and end up in 
Uniontown!       Should have been a PCC charter to Connellsville  --  
could easily loop there to return!


                Imagine that with early abandonment of DALE  
((1940.08.02))  that overhead came down and some track removed so wasn't 
available for fantrips.


                Thanks to Bill Robb, FWS, Bob for comments on JTC.       
*After*   ((Never Before))  sending the email I went through the PCC 
books and the Johnstown book  (forgot about schedules in Appendix, 
Bill!) and found:::::::


++    Morrellville//Roxbury as  *Main__Line*
                which took practically  ALL
                17--PCCs for operation upon
                delivery (PCC-CC_pg.103!)

++   Ferndale//Coopersdale receive
                PCCs 1949 (PCC-CC_pg.103!)

++   Franklin receives PCCs 1952
                (PCC-CC_pg.104!)

++   1954 -- only 5 PCCs needed for base
                service  (TJC&S_pg.044;
                PCC-CC_pg.104!)

++   Not many photos with Pepsi Bottle Cap,
                 which apparently debuted mid to
                 latter 1950s.

++   Benscreek, Southmont, Horner St.,
                Oakhurst apparently in PCC
                 Destination roller unless made
                up by railfan


                Photo on pg.056 of Rohrbeck's book shows 368 and 404 on 
Baumer Street  --  sans date.      Only Dale or Horner cars used this 
street.       Same photo from Railroad Avenue Enterprises  (PN-12687)  
dates it as  *1945*  but PCCs didn't arrive until 1947 so possibly a 
typo and 1955 could have been meant  --  but photo lacks TC overhead.   
    PCC Very New looking  (rear view  --  no grease trailings on gray 
roof!!!)       Wonder if Horner could have been through routed with 
Franklin?


                Did Horner remain intact after TC conversion??       
Rohrbeck lists Horner as being abandoned in 1960  (TJC&S_pg.056)  at end 
of rail service but also lists conversion to TC as Nov-1951  (TJC&S_pg.043.)


                One 8X10 I have  *seems*  to show that one of the turns 
downtown had wire but not a frog indicating very little usage  --  PRCo 
did some of this as well.



                Here is a listing of PERC // PRMA charters on JTC    
----    must have been many people to be able to charter 3- and 4-cars 
at a time(!!!)   ((I have photos of 408 with  PITTSBURGH  destination    
----    probably photos out there of 408 with Charleroi and Washington 
as well!!!!!!!)):::::::


1949.10.23    357    JTC    Entire system.

1954.05.23    408    JTC    All Johnstown lines.
1954.05.23    352    JTC    All Johnstown lines.

1955.08.21    230    JTC    All Johnstown lines.
1955.08.21    408    JTC    All Johnstown lines.
1955.08.21    311    JTC    All Johnstown lines.
1955.08.21    352    JTC    All Johnstown lines.

1956.07.15    214    JTC    All Johnstown lines.
1956.07.15    311    JTC    All Johnstown lines.
1956.07.15    356    JTC    All Johnstown lines.
1956.07.15    408    JTC    All Johnstown lines.

1957.07.14    214    JTC    ALL Johnstown trolley lines;  ALL types of cars!
1957.07.14    356    JTC    ALL Johnstown trolley lines;  ALL types of cars!
1957.07.14    311    JTC    ALL Johnstown trolley lines;  ALL types of cars!
1957.07.14    410    JTC    ALL Johnstown trolley lines;  ALL types of cars!

1958.07.27    311    JTC    All Johnstown trolley lines.
1958.07.27    356    JTC    All Johnstown trolley lines.
1958.07.27    405    JTC    All Johnstown trolley lines.

1959.07.19    311    JTC    ALL useable trackage in Johnstown;  ALL 
types of cars.
1959.07.19    350    JTC    ALL useable trackage in Johnstown;  ALL 
types of cars.
1959.07.19    407    JTC    ALL useable trackage in Johnstown;  ALL 
types of cars.

1960.01.10    311    JTC    All remaining trackage in Johnstown.
1960.01.10    355    JTC    All remaining trackage in Johnstown.
1960.01.10    407    JTC    All remaining trackage in Johnstown.

1960.06.11    311    JTC    Last Day of Operation in Johnstown.
1960.06.11    352    JTC    Last Day of Operation in Johnstown.
1960.06.11    355    JTC    Last Day of Operation in Johnstown.


(there, I got this e-mail on-topic).



Jim__Holland