[PRCo] Re: FYI about PAT CAF cars

[James B. Holland]

Don't know that CAF is being criticized  --  just the process of what is 
happening.       My comments were strictly tongue-in-cheek.

B--U--T.......      since you bring it up  --  I am  NOT  a fan of 
Siemens-Deuwag equipment.       Everything I have ridden has a tendency 
to hunt, very strong tendency.       One car in a train in Sacramento 
was so bad  --  believe it was the artic truck but can't remember for 
sure  --  was so bad that I got off the train fearing derailment at 
speed.       Even the Portland 70% low-floor cars had this tendency when 
brand new  --  haven't been back so I don't know how they have fared 
over time.       Would hope to get up there soon but don't think I 
shall.       The controllers look like Toy Train  --  ok if it is a toy 
train but this is  *supposed*  to be prototype.       And the disc 
brakes will set up automatically when the train  *coasts*  below a 
certain speed  --  brake does  NOT  need to be applied.       So 
motorman has difficulty with slow speeds at traffic points.       And 
the discs can chatter severely when this happens.       Nope, Not a fan 
of deuwag equipment  --  You Can Have It.

The Portland 70% low-floor cars are utilitarian but have not and shall 
not ride in the low-floor section  --  too vulnerable from side 
impact    ----    MUCH  comments about that problem on the transit 
lists.       Portland has The Very Best modern rail cars with those 
produced by Bombardier  --  they are coming up on 20-years old.       
Portland will lose its appeal for me when those cars are retired.


Jim__Holland



Harold G. wrote:

> Why all this criticism of CAF and Elmira?
>
> I liked the CAF cars for Sacramento. Also the Ring line cars for 
> Amsterdam.
>
> Harold Geissenheimer
>
>  
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Swindler <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> Date: Monday, January 24, 2005 9:47 AM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: FYI about PAT CAF cars
>
>
>>
>>> James B. Holland asked:
>>>
>>> CAF -- That's CAlifornia, F-Line, San Francisco.......
>>>
>>> Keerect??
>>>
>>
>> try:
>>
>> http://www.caf.es/10/instalaciones.asp
>>
>> and it's practically in your back yard, Jim
>>
>> Looks like CAF also acquired the former Adtranz plant in Elmira. And 
>> we all know what got fixed up at this plant.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>> John Swindler wrote:
>>>
>>>> CAF also has a plant in Sacramento. Suspect that there is more to 
>>>> this saga that hasn't come out yet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: "Boris Cefer" <westinghouse at iol.cz>
>>>>> Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>>>>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>>>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: [Fwd: FYI about PAT CAF cars]
>>>>> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 08:39:37 +0100
>>>>>
>>>>> Any guess what the cost of the trip to Spain and back is?
>>>>