[PRCo] Re: Interurbans to Pittsburgh

[Fred Schneider]

Farther than Chicago, Matt.  The limit was probably on one of the Wisconsin Public Service Company lines out of Sheboygan, Wisconsin, which could be reached from Chicago via the Chicago, North Shore and Milwaukee and The Milwaukee Electric Railway and Transport.   The greatest contiguous route in Illinois should be one of the lines in the western part of the Rockford, Illinois city system, about 50 miles beyond Chicago.    To the southwest, by way of Cleveland, and Indianapolis, and Terre Haute, you could reach the end of Terre Haute, Indianapolis and Eastern Traction Company rails in eastern Illinois.  The entire network of lines in southern Michigan could also be reached.

To the northeast, you could probably, by going from Pittsburgh through Ohio and back into New York state, and then east, you could get to Cooperstown NY on the Southern New York Railway.  

>From Pittsburgh by trolley, given an abundance of nickels and a butt willing to be tortured, you could reach nine states (PA, OH, IN, IL, WI, KY, WV, MI, NY) and one Canadian province (the International Railway Company [Buffalo] had a Canadian subsidiary that crossed the Niagara River into Niagara Falls, Ontario and connected with the Niagara, Ste. Catherines and Toronto Railway.  

If you want precise details, look for one of the maps put out by the Central Electric Traffic Association, an organization representing most of the electric railways in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Michigan.   They have been published from time to time by CERA.  You might find one of the originals if you watch e-Bay for long enough.
CETA also published rosters of the freight cars owned by each affiliated company ... afterall, they were trying to interline freight and express shipments.  

Additional question will wait until I get home.  The weather was gorgeous today in New Orleans.  

Fred Schneider

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-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Barry <mrb190+ at pitt.edu>
Sent: Mar 24, 2005 1:17 PM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Subject: [PRCo] Interurbans to  Pittsburgh

YOU HAD TO ASK
I've heard that it was once possible to get on a street car in 
Pittsburgh and, by connecting with other street car lines, make your way 
to Chicago. Is that true?

- John Richard, McCandless

writer: CHRIS POTTER 
<mailto:cpotter at steelcitymedia.com?subject=You%20Had%20to%20Ask%20Feedback>

don't blame you for being skeptical. Today, Pittsburghers have greatly 
diminished expectations of mass transit. We've got a "subway" that 
consists of three underground stops and a "T" system that is little more 
than a bus on rails serving the South Hills -- twice. The notion of a 
Boston- or Washington, D.C.-style system -- where rail transit extends 
in all directions beyond city limits -- appears to be beyond our 
imagination.

But during the first quarter of the 20th century, Pittsburgh trolley 
lines connected such far-flung towns as New Castle, Beaver, Washington, 
Greensburg and Uniontown. Unlike the plans for a similar regional system 
being discussed today, they somehow managed to do so without requiring 
magnetic levitation. And they sometimes even did so without forcing you 
to go through Downtown. And all this with "[n]o dirt, cinders or motor 
trouble to worry you," as a 1925 advertisement for the Pittsburgh 
Railways Company put it. As those living along the East Busway can 
attest, it would be nice if our own mass-transit system could say the same.

Established in the late 19th century, these routes were called 
"interurban" lines because they ran not within but between urban areas. 
Freight trolleys -- I know, it sounds like a contradiction in terms, 
like "regional transit system" -- carried newspapers and mail, steel and 
coal, and even milk. For the most part, though, interurbans were 
conventional trolley cars, running on electricity provided by overhead 
cables.

And you could cover long distances by trolley, if you didn't mind making 
a lot of transfers. Other cities had their own interurban lines 
connecting them to their outskirts, and outskirts like Wheeling, W. Va., 
and Kittanning had lines connecting them to outskirts of their own. At 
some places, two interurban systems connected, making unlikely towns 
into veritable crossroads.

For example, the "Harmony Line" extended from Pittsburgh to Evans City, 
and from there onto New Castle. New Castle had a line to Youngstown, 
Ohio, whose interurban network linked up with those of Cleveland and 
Toledo. From Ohio, then, you could travel by streetcar to Detroit, 
Indiana, Chicago, and even to parts of Wisconsin ... if you were into 
that sort of thing.

At least one person, Pittsburgh Press reporter William Lytle, did make 
the journey from Pittsburgh to Chicago in the early 1920s, starting with 
the Harmony route from Pittsburgh to New Castle. A contemporary account 
in the Gazette-Times reported that such a trip cost $14 in fares and 
required a "leisurely" two weeks of hopping on and off cars. (A 
conventional train, obviously, would get you to Chicago much faster -- 
only a reporter or other parasite with nothing more pressing to do could 
go by streetcar.)

Gilbert Love, a Press reporter who wrote about Lytle's journey in a 
brief 1970 story, stated that "Other long trips by trolley car were 
theoretically possible. ... Splicing local lines together, a person 
could have gone north to Erie, then east to Buffalo and on to Hudson, 
New York. ... With other connections a determined trolley rider could 
have gone as far southwest as Louisville, Kentucky."

In 1925, the Pittsburgh Railways Company, which operated much of the 
interurban trackage, could boast, "[T]his mode of travel has practically 
superseded the railroad passenger train for all interurban traffic and 
is becoming a considerable factor in the longer distance traffic." But 
the network didn't last long. As roads improved and automobiles became 
more affordable, interurban traffic was usurped by buses and cars. Its 
gasoline-powered rivals were more flexible on short trips, and the 
railroads were faster over the long haul.

The northern routes Lytle had used were among the first to close. The 
Harmony line, for example closed Aug. 15, 1931 -- just 23 years after it 
opened. According to the Pittsburgh Ledger, the last car of the 
Pittsburgh, Harmony, Butler, and New Castle line -- aptly called "The 
Bummer" -- "died of an overdose of gasoline." The last interurban lines 
to be cut, those serving Washington, Pa. and Charleroi, were drastically 
curtailed in the mid-1950s. Some stops on today's T system, like Mine #3 
and Library, were originally stops on the old Charleroi line.

Just think: These non-descript stations aren't just stops along a 
redundant trolley line. They were once part of a system that brought us 
closer to places like Greensburg and Uniontown, and brought those places 
closer to us!

Of course, that may be why the system was shut down in the first place.

 




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