[PRCo] Re: Fw: comparison with Cleveland

[Bob Rathke]

>From someone who rode the buses in Johnstown and Cleveland, and some of the
pre-PAT indepedendent bus companies in Allegheny County, I agree with you,
Harold.

And, you're still liked....

Bob 3/27/05

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Harold G." <transitmgr2 at earthlink.net>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 10:14 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Fw: comparison with Cleveland


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Harold G. <transitmgr2 at earthlink.net>
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia..org <pittsburgh-railways at dementia..org>
> Date: Sunday, March 27, 2005 11:13 PM
> Subject: comparison with Cleveland
>
>
> Greetings to all
>
> Some more comments about Cleveland.   The entire fleet
> looked this good..including PCC cars, big peter Witts, artics
> and buses.  After Tom Fitzgerald, when did PRC look this good.?
>
> Lets face it.  Part of PRC image problem was poor maintenance of bodies,
> paint and washing.
>
> Cleveland looked good because their manager, Donald C Hyde,
> understood this.  CD Palmer did not.   Its not about cost, its about
> culture.  Johnstown Traction always looked good.
>
> Sorry to get emotional but PRC did not help built public opinion.
> By the way, Milwaukee was equal or better than Cleveland.  To Ken, do you
have Milwaukee photos to prove their high standards?
>
> This has been my opinion from the 1950's.  Its not rail vs bus, its
> clean vs dirty, its paint vs rust. Its maintenance pride vs shit.
>
> When Harley Swift came over he was very sad about the
> PRC trolley fleet.  His Harrisburg buses were spotless.
>
> We had lots of well maintained buses in Pgh....Penn Transit,
> Deere Brothers, Community, Culmerville, Ohio River, Shafer, Brentwood,
> Oriole, Noble Dick,  The only bad ones were Burelli, Bamford and some of
the mill buses in the Mon Valley.  Even there, little McKeesport Transit
> was spotless.
>
>
> You can all be mad at me now.
> Every manager who came from an independent could see this.
>
> When National City went into LA, Phila, St Louis, etc they painted
>  and cleaned every thing.
>
> I hope you still like me.
>
>
> Harold Geissenheimer
>
>