[PRCo] Re: rebuilt pcc cars

[trams at adelphia.net]

 I think that's the Bethel Park car.


---- "Harold G." <transitmgr2 at earthlink.net> wrote: 
> Greetings
> 
> Thanks for the revision.   If PTM has 4004, who has 4007?
> Bethel Park has a car.  what number?
> 
> Harold Geissenheimer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: trams at adelphia.net <trams at adelphia.net>
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 10:55 AM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: rebuilt pcc cars
> 
> 
> > PTM has 4004, not 4007.
> >
> >
> >---- Boris Cefer <westinghouse at iol.cz> wrote:
> >> 4001 PAT South Hills Village entrance
> >> 4002 Power Superconductor Applications, New Castle PA
> >> 4003 Private
> >> 4004 Bether Park
> >> 4005 The only scrapped???
> >> 4006 Columbus OH
> >> 4007 PTM
> >> 4008 San Francisco Muni
> >> 4009 San Francisco Muni
> >> 4010 Private
> >> 4011 Buckeye Lake OH
> >> 4012 Buckeye Lake OH
> >>
> >> B
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Harold G." <transitmgr2 at earthlink.net>
> >> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 8:15 PM
> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: rebuilt pcc cars
> >>
> >>
> >> > Greetings to Boris and Jim
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for the 4000 update.  Jim..which 4000's are saved?
> >> > If any?
> >> >
> >> > Harold Geissenheimer
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Boris Cefer <westinghouse at iol.cz>
> >> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> >> > Date: Monday, March 28, 2005 3:14 AM
> >> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: rebuilt pcc cars
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >Jim has made several correct points and I can try to complete the
> >> subject.
> >> > >
> >> > >1) All 4000s received B-3 trucks with shock absorbers. These were
> >> assembled
> >> > >by the South Hills Car Co from new sideframes, motor cradles, gears,
> >> truck
> >> > >bolsters and possibly some other parts manufactured by the Hall
> >> Industries,
> >> > >Pgh. The rest were old and spare parts: main motors, track brakes,
> drum
> >> > >brakes and actuators, wheels, springs. As far as I can say from my
> head
> >> > >knowledge, the Hall Industries manufactured more truck sets than was
> >> > >nesessary for the new 4000s and the surplus new trucks were placed
> under
> >> > >some old 17s, including city cars. And there was that swapping already
> >> > >mentioned by Jim, but the exact extent of it is unknown to me.
> >> > >I don't know when the new truck sets arrived, but the very first car
> >> > >possibly got original B-3 trucks built by St. Louis Car Co and
> overhauled
> >> > at
> >> > >South Hills.
> >> > >
> >> > >2) All 4000s and four 1700s got a new wiring.
> >> > >
> >> > >3) All 4000s received entirely new electrical apparatus manufactured
> by
> >> > >Westinghouse. It included new improved version of accelerator,
> contactor
> >> > >panel with field shunting resistors, line switch, master controller,
> >> > >inductive field shunt, overspeed relay, auxiliary panel with solid
> state
> >> > >voltage regulator and lock-out relay. New MG sets were not part of the
> >> > >supply and PAAC installed overhauled machines. Also door engines were
> >> > >salvaged.
> >> > >There were also various improvements like new interior (fluorescent
> >> lamps)
> >> > >and exterior lights including turn signals, and at least one of the
> cars
> >> > was
> >> > >equipped with an air conditioning unit (4006). Entirely new motorman's
> >> desk
> >> > >was installed. There were also some improvements in heating, but I am
> not
> >> > >familiar with any details.
> >> > >
> >> > >I don't remember seeing any fingure concerning those cars' weight.
> >> Neither
> >> > I
> >> > >know whether PAAC operated the cars with standard (50 %) or high (67
> %)
> >> > >field shunting, so the balancing speed is unknown to me.
> >> > >
> >> > >Boris
> >> > >
> >> > >----- Original Message -----
> >> > >From: "Harold G." <transitmgr2 at earthlink.net>
> >> > >To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> >> > >Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 4:53 AM
> >> > >Subject: [PRCo] rebuilt pcc cars
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >> Greetings to all...especially Jim, John and Boris
> >> > >> Allow this non technical person to ask a question.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> The several rebuilt PAT PCC cars (4000's?)
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Did these cars receive any of these characteristics?
> >> > >> Was the balancing speed changed?
> >> > >> were they rewired?   which trucks?
> >> > >> any thing else different?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Harold Geissenheimer
> >> > >>
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