[PRCo] Re: Road Salt

[Fred Schneider]

To do that he would need to redo the other end of the tunnel ... it needs the
P&LE station with a PCC rammed into the side of the building or perhaps with a
low-floor laying on its side?   The tunnel is an amazing model, isn't it....
Maybe we could hint that he install a narrow-gauge train tied to a cord, so that
goes along the distant hill side, then goes underground and starts over again at
the right side.

(ALL SORTS OF SUGGESTIONS OUT THERE BOB.  EASY TO DO WHEN SOMEONE ELSE DOES IT.)

John Swindler wrote:

> Obviously your not "short" enough, Bob.  (those who have been in military
> will understand)
>
> Only one year, one month and a day - but who's counting <gg>
>
> By the way, again greatly enjoyed your South Hills Jct. module at the East
> Penn meet.  Have you ever considered setting it up at a PTM event??  (just a
> hint)
>
> John
>
> >From: "Dietrich, Robert J." <Robert.Dietrich at unisys.com>
> >Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> >Subject: [PRCo] Re: Road Salt
> >Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 07:50:07 -0400
> >
> >This has been the most amazing thread I remember seeing from this group.
> >What started out as a comment/question about Johnstown streetcars, went
> >through a tour of the North East and Canada, got into old automobiles,
> >salt, rust, rusty busses (naturally), then right back on topic with salt
> >cans in PRCo streetcars.  Wow!  I must admit, though, my delete key was
> >working overtime; I just don't have time to work and read all these
> >posts.  But don't quit - only 2 1/2 years and I'll be reading
> >everything.
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> >[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of Bob
> >Rathke
> >Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 10:11 PM
> >To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >Subject: [PRCo] Re: Road Salt
> >
> >I remember seeing a PRC ACF (orange) bus in service as a salt spreader
> >on
> >Troy Hill in 1956, salting
> >streets on the 4-Troy Hill trolley line.
> >
> >I also remember seeing cinder barrels (55 gallon drums tipped on their
> >sides) along highway route 30 in Greensburg in the mid-1950's.  This was
> >when route 30 ran through town on city streets, and before the days of
> >the
> >four-lane route 30 bypass. Local residents and motorists would scatter
> >cinders from the barrels to the streets as needed after a snowfall.
> >
> >Bob 5/26/095
> >
> >-----------------------------
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Fred Schneider" <fschnei at supernet.com>
> >To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> >Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 11:04 AM
> >Subject: [PRCo] Re: Road Salt
> >
> >
> > > I can only give a partial answer.  PRC did have at least one old ACF
> >bus
> >with a
> > > salt spreader therein.  Whether they used it on their own property or
> >on
> >public
> > > streets is unknown to me.  Remember that there was also a lot of paved
> >private
> > > right-of-way in Pittsburgh.  I've not sure who had to do that.  I do
> >remember
> > > that PAT was ordered by the courts to build new highway bridges in
> >places
> >where
> > > their older bridges had been decked for automobiles.
> > >
> > > We moved out of Pittsburgh in 1949 ... the winter of 1948-49 was my
> >last.
> >I
> > > never saw salt but I vividly remember a man in the back of a dump
> >truck
> >with a
> > > shovel ... he was tossing cinders out on PA route 80 in Penn Township.
> >One
> > > might suspect that cinders, in those days, were cheap if not free to
> >state
> >and
> > > township road crews.  Crushed slag and cinders all appear black
> >against a
> >white
> > > show ... could have been either.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure when salting became common.  Pittsburgh always has some
> >snow
> >in the
> > > winter.   Here in Lancaster we can go several years between measurable
> >snows,
> > > then get it with a noreaster.  Sometime in the 1950s I saw salt.
> > >
> > > Of course, Ken, this is asking a 65-year old demented individual to
> >remember
> > > what happened 50-55 years ago.
> > >
> > > Ken & Tracie wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well, my Imperial and my truck are a bit newer than my station
> >wagon.
> >Tracie
> > > > is driving a '99 Toyota, so maybe she has the most sanity.
> >Especially
> >with
> > > > gasoline at $2.50 per gallon.
> > > > I would suspect the El Paso PCCs have/had some rust. Desert winds
> >blow
> >dust
> > > > into nooks, crannies and crevices. During the rainy season, moisture
> >gets
> > > > absorbed by this packed in dirt, leading to some rust issues, but it
> >is
> > > > never as extensive as salt induced rust damage.
> > > >
> > > > When did Pittsburgh begin salting the city streets? Did Pittsburgh
> >Railways
> > > > apply the salt along car lines, or was this completely the
> >responsibility of
> > > > local government?
> > > >
> > > > I seem to remember somebody noting crushed slag was used for a time.
> > > >
> > > > K.
> >RR
> >
> >
> >
> >