[PRCo] Re: Brookline

[Fred Schneider]

Richtig.   Das in kein Problem, mein Herr.

On Nov 20, 2005, at 3:32 PM, Edward H. Lybarger wrote:

> The trolley tunnel opened December 1, 1904, rather than 1907 as  
> stated here.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of  
> Fred
> Schneider
> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 3:12 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Brookline
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> Well, route 33 is a little different.   There are pictures around of
> cars awaiting scrapping with 33 signs turned up.    Route 32 P&LE
> TRANSFER is really nothing but a shortened route 33.    Ed Lybarger
> found some street pictures showing how bad the track was ... I think
> they may be Allegheny County streets pictures.
>
> Only 3 months?   Remember that there was nothing out there.   There
> was this big flat wall called Mount Washington.   For years it was
> much easier and faster to live in and get to other parts of the city
> than the area behind Mount Washington.   The only way over it was an
> incline.   Or you could go out to Temperanceville, and around it
> where Saw Mill Run flowed out into the Ohio.   But there was no easy
> way.   The trolley tunnel was not opened until 1907.   Saw Mill Run
> Blvd. was an early 1920s road to connect with the West End Circle.
> The Liberty Tubes and the Liberty Bridge were finished early in 1928
> and that is when you really start seeing houses built in the South
> Hills.   Although there were little bits and pieces annexed to
> Pittsburgh all over the city over time,  most of the east was
> configured by 1868.   The sheer bulk of the North Side was annexed
> along with the City of Allegheny in 1907.  The South Side (along the
> River ) and Mount Washington came in during 1872.   But behind the
> mountain was the last major part of the city to be annexed.   West
> Liberty was annexed in 1907, the year the trolley tunnel was
> opened.    Beechview became part of Pittsburgh in 1908.   Overbrook
> in 1930.   Carrick and Knoxville in 1927.
>
> At the risk of being sarcastic, I'm about to pick fault with our
> educational system.   My German friends who go through their
> universities tell me they are forced to take classes where they have
> to identify architecture by age by looking at it.   If we had similar
> requirements, we might recognize that most of the homes up in
> Brookline date to the 1920s, after the trolley loop to the interurban
> came and went.
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> On Oct 9, 2005, at 3:23 PM, Mark McGuire wrote:
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>>   Thanks guys!
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>> Wow!  Only 3 months?  Seems like a waste to build a double track
>> line. I suppose a photo of a car on this line would be impossible
>> to find. Just like the trying to find a car on the 33 Mt. Washington.
>>
>>                               Mark
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>> -- "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams at adelphia.net> wrote:
>> The Brookline via South Bank service lasted only about 3 months in
>> 1910,
>> rather than the "several years" mentioned in ER20.  The dates of
>> operation
>> were 9-12-1910 to 11-1-1910.  Route number was 313A.  Note on route
>> card
>> succinctly says "Traffic not sufficient."
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
>> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of
>> Mark
>> McGuire
>> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 11:25 PM
>> To: Pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> Subject: [PRCo] Brookline
>>
>>
>>   Speaking of Brookline, I was wondering if there are any photos that
>> exist of the old trackage that once connected the Brookline route
>> with the interurbans. I would love to see something other than the
>> PERC map.
>>   What years was this connection used and when was it abandoned?
>>
>>                           Mark
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