[PRCo] Re: Brookline/Woodruff

Tue Oct 11 08:39:57 EDT 2005

Mark was suggesting that finding a photo of a destination curtain for either
line would be well nigh impossible.  And you know how things like that
promote thought!

-----Original Message-----
From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of
Dietrich, Robert J.
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 8:25 AM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Brookline/Woodruff

I apologize for this but I missed something in my haste to hit the
delete key.  What does Woodruff Street have to do with Brookline?  I
missed the connection.

-----Original Message-----
From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of
Edward H. Lybarger
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 8:50 AM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Brookline/Woodruff

They are indeed PCP photos rather than ACDPW.  Sorry for the error.

Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of Mark
McGuire
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 12:30 AM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Brookline/Woodruff

  Here's a link to the photos on the Dementia site:
  >http://trolley.dementia.org/woodruff/<

-- "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams at adelphia.net> wrote:
We also have a real estate brochure promoting Brookline and its new
trolley
loop...used it in an early exhibit, in fact.  I can find the caption but
since it has been through two hard drive "incidents" and now
mysteriously
appears in symbols instead of Century Schoolbook, I can't read it any
more!
But it talked about the excessive real estate speculation and that many
of
those lots being offered in 1910 were still vacant hillsides today (ten
years ago).

The Woodruff Street photos were from the Allegheny County Department of
Public Works.  They exist at PTM as Xeroxes; the originals are still
around
and I guess I could borrow them for scanning if I don't wait till my
contact
is retired!  The Jerome Street (Avenue) photos from McKeesport are
there,
too.  If I went into full "collect" mode I'd never get anything else
done.

Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of Fred
Schneider
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 3:12 PM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Brookline

Well, route 33 is a little different.   There are pictures around of
cars awaiting scrapping with 33 signs turned up.    Route 32 P&LE
TRANSFER is really nothing but a shortened route 33.    Ed Lybarger
found some street pictures showing how bad the track was ... I think
they may be Allegheny County streets pictures.

Only 3 months?   Remember that there was nothing out there.   There
was this big flat wall called Mount Washington.   For years it was
much easier and faster to live in and get to other parts of the city
than the area behind Mount Washington.   The only way over it was an
incline.   Or you could go out to Temperanceville, and around it
where Saw Mill Run flowed out into the Ohio.   But there was no easy
way.   The trolley tunnel was not opened until 1907.   Saw Mill Run
Blvd. was an early 1920s road to connect with the West End Circle.
The Liberty Tubes and the Liberty Bridge were finished early in 1928
and that is when you really start seeing houses built in the South
Hills.   Although there were little bits and pieces annexed to
Pittsburgh all over the city over time,  most of the east was
configured by 1868.   The sheer bulk of the North Side was annexed
along with the City of Allegheny in 1907.  The South Side (along the
River ) and Mount Washington came in during 1872.   But behind the
mountain was the last major part of the city to be annexed.   West
Liberty was annexed in 1907, the year the trolley tunnel was
opened.    Beechview became part of Pittsburgh in 1908.   Overbrook
in 1930.   Carrick and Knoxville in 1927.

At the risk of being sarcastic, I'm about to pick fault with our
educational system.   My German friends who go through their
universities tell me they are forced to take classes where they have
to identify architecture by age by looking at it.   If we had similar
requirements, we might recognize that most of the homes up in
Brookline date to the 1920s, after the trolley loop to the interurban
came and went.

On Oct 9, 2005, at 3:23 PM, Mark McGuire wrote:

>   Thanks guys!
>
> Wow!  Only 3 months?  Seems like a waste to build a double track
> line. I suppose a photo of a car on this line would be impossible
> to find. Just like the trying to find a car on the 33 Mt. Washington.
>
>                               Mark
>
> -- "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams at adelphia.net> wrote:
> The Brookline via South Bank service lasted only about 3 months in
> 1910,
> rather than the "several years" mentioned in ER20.  The dates of
> operation
> were 9-12-1910 to 11-1-1910.  Route number was 313A.  Note on route
> card
> succinctly says "Traffic not sufficient."
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of
> Mark
> McGuire
> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 11:25 PM
> To: Pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Brookline
>
>
>   Speaking of Brookline, I was wondering if there are any photos that
> exist of the old trackage that once connected the Brookline route
> with the interurbans. I would love to see something other than the
> PERC map.
>   What years was this connection used and when was it abandoned?
>
>                           Mark
>
>
>