[PRCo] Re: Russian___PCCs

[Fred Schneider]

That is your definition, Boris.     Fine.   TRC didn't choose to  
agree with you and they held the patents to the PCC.   Therefore  
their definition of a PCC holds.

David Q. Gaul, the last employee of Transit Research Corporation,  
which held the PCC patents, gave me their official definition in an  
interview in 1976:

1.   Any car on which patent royalties were paid was a PCC.   That  
made some rather nebulous Boston cars PCCs just because the MTA  
manager wanted to support the TRC and found a way to pay royalties  
even though no components may have been patented.   This definition  
also excludes all the Brooklyn PCCs because B&QT refused to pay  
royalties claiming that ERPCC had used their space in the 9th Avenue  
carbarn for five years and B&QT thought that was perfectly adequate.

2.  Any car which used PCC patents whether or not royalties were paid  
was considered a PCC by TRC.   That takes care of  the Tatra cars and  
all the Russian knock offs.

3.  Remember too that the electrical suppliers refused to become  
members of the Electric Railway Presidents' Conference Committee  
because such a membership required them to give up their patent  
rights.   Therefore the Westinghouse style controls on Tatra cars  
have absolutely nothing to do with a PCC.   Instead the car buyers  
submitted to the builders a performance specification, stating how  
fast the car would run, accelerate, brake, and so forth and the  
Westinghouse and GE schemes met that.

I agree that the Russian MTB or MTV-82 cars had no components copied  
after PCC cars.   The newest equipment, however, continues to use  
recycled trucks that match the B-3 patents.

On Oct 25, 2005, at 10:26 AM, Boris Cefer wrote:

> The Russian MTB-82 (or MTV-82) had trucks that had nothing with the  
> PCC
> designs. Not other Russian cars contain TRC licensed components, even
> thought the standee windows on some cars may appear familiar.
> Then there are the Tatra cars. There had not been royalties paid  
> and the
> Tatra cars do not contain any IDENTICAL components.
>
> B
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 9:39 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Russian___PCCs
>
>
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>>   Oh contraire.   What makes you think not?
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>> On Oct 24, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Boris Cefer wrote:
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>>> These are not PCCs!
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>>> B
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