[PRCo] Re: PCC being towed

[Fred Schneider]

I'll let you calculate and tell us.   It was probably less than the  
1:3 split as soon as the breakup of the barn assignments established  
by PRC.   I know that PAT wasn't tight about just G. E. cars at  
Keating in 1965 so the breakdown of the 1:3 ratio may have have  
occurred as early as 1964.    Probably goes back to the fiscal year  
before the end of PRC and the end of the need to maximize investment  
rate base.    You tell us!

Inepta?   Who knows.   You once told me they applied for state money  
to overhaul more cars than they owned, indicating that even they  
didn't know.    (I'm giving a liberal assessment here.)

On Oct 31, 2005, at 8:51 AM, John Swindler wrote:

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> What were the equipment needs in 1967?  (hint: 35/36/37/42/47/48/49)
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> What was the expected life of a Westinghouse 1600 in 1970?  (hint:  
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> Things don't always work out as planned.
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>> From: Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>
>> Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: PCC being towed
>> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:57:30 -0500
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>> They had their proponents and their detractors.   Maybe one of the
>> chief arguments against them was the expense of physically removing
>> the commutator controller from the car in order to work on it while
>> work on the Westinghouse unit could largely be done in place.   As a
>> young man, I don't know that I could ever recall any difference
>> between a GE or a Westinghouse car if I rode them with my eyes  
>> closed.
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>> The G. E. cars were the first to go in Pittsburgh but many managers
>> would have done the same when confronted with a 1 to 3 equipment
>> split and and a need to keep either 75 of one type and 25 of another
>> or 100 of one type given that a few of them might be four years
>> older.....   I don't think the early disappearance of the GE 1600s
>> and 1700s related to any overwhelming fault in their design but more
>> simply a need to get a handle on maintenance.     Might have been
>> easier to have a few compressor to maintain than a few cars with GE
>> KM units.
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>> I once asked the shop foreman for SEPTA at 3rd and Wyoming which he
>> thought was better, G. E. or Westinghouse and he favored G. E.   Then
>> I counted the cars in the shop and found 60 percent were G. E.
>> cars.   Maybe he liked them because of job security or maybe it was
>> just an off day.
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>> Shaker Heights was fond of G. E. because if they had a problem, an
>> engineer from Erie would be in Cleveland within a day.
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>> On Oct 30, 2005, at 11:06 AM, Boris Cefer wrote:
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>>> Ja ja!
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>>> Do you have any personal experience (worse) with GE equipped units?
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>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
>>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 2:31 PM
>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: PCC being towed
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>>>> And it wasn't even equipped by G. E.
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>>>> Reminds me of the day we were having trouble in east Berlin with a
>>>> rental Ford that really had other intentions than running.    
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>>>> that car to work was sort of like asking your teenager to do his
>>>> homework.  I was trying to get it to start when a native came up,
>>>> looked at this modern machine and quipped, "Es ist kaput and es ist
>>>> nicht nur ein Traubi!"
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>>>> On Oct 30, 2005, at 6:55 AM, Boris Cefer wrote:
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>>>>> The attachment shows something unfrequent - a PCC being towed by
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>>>>> another PCC. Perhaps the salty slush got in one of its motors. I
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>>>>> seen any picture like this one before. One would expect failed PCC
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>>>>> pushed to a nearby loop or spur track to wait there for one of the
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