[PRCo] Re: PCCs___vs___lrvs

[Holland Electric Rwy. Op. H.E.R.O. -- Import SPTC 1.48 Models // James B. Holland]

Bill Robb wrote:
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> No.      You don't see the PCCs going straight up the hills.      
> Grades as in San Francisco are rarely encountered elsewhere and never 
> on such a consistent basis.

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Eggzactly  My  Point    ----    Thank__You  for  helping me out!!!
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On L-Taraval  THE    ONLY    flat  spots were for one block on 15th 
between Ulloa and Taraval and along 46th for 3-blocks to the Zoo!!!
On J-Church  ONLY  flat spot on Church between Market and 17th  --  
3-blocks total.
On K-Ingleside  ONLY  flat spot is on Ocean down by the Hobby shop.
On M-Ocean View  Only flat Spot(s) is one block near Broad/Plymouth and 
two blocks outbound of prw on 19th.
On N-Judah  ONLY  flat spot(s) are along Judah for one or two blocks in 
just a couple locations  --  this line apparently has the most flat 
spots.       Remember that the blocks along Judah are Short  --  3-lrvs 
long or 213-feets.
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TrolleyCars in SF are Consistently On Grades!!!!!!!
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FAR   More  Grades to  SF  TrolleyCar  system than Pgh could even 
imagine!!!!!!!       The Overbrook Interurban, being a former narrow 
gauge RR, is almost entirely flat from Warrington to Castle 
Shannon.       The Bias here is to climb to Castle Shannon but ever so 
gradually that it is not detectable;  approach outbound to Elwyn  
(McNeilly)  viaduct is the steepest grade of all of Overbrook  --  also 
Library from Kings School outbound to Rt.88!       Flat spots on 
42-Dormont  (good portion of Broadway in Beechview, Smithfield downtown, 
part of Grant; 1,000 foot Palm Garden Trestle)  probably equal  ALL  
level running on 5 TrolleyCar lines in San Francisco!       The 
42-Dormont is approx. the length of the J-Church, the shortest line in SF!
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Have  Often  Thought about this in relationship to Pgh  --  Liberty and 
Penn on 87 and 88  --  not a few miles of good flat operation 
here.       Fifth and Forbes in Oakland has not a little flat 
operation.       East Liberty.       Second Avenue  --  East 
Carson.       Near North Side.       East Ohio.       13-Emsworth and 
15-Bellevue.
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Either Muni or  MSR  borrowed trucks from an PRCo low-floor  --  didn't 
work here  --  stops Way Too Frequent and Grades Way Too Steep  --  have 
photo of car clearly showing trucks but can't locate it 
immediately.       Yet same trucks Wildly Successful in Pgh!!
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I see some of the points you are making, Bill, but still feel entirely 
Too Much Fuss made over new equipment that private companies like PRCo 
would never make.       Cynical side showing here but I know others feel 
the same.
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SF did testing on the new  ETI  TC  for   THREE___YEARS   with One coach 
and between 1.5 to 2 years for a second coach    NOT   IN   
SERVICE.       There is  STILL  a program for testing some 8-years after 
initial tests began    ----    what is happening I do not know!
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> James B. Holland wrote:
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> I-F """the operating environment [in SF] is unique for diseaseal 
> buses.......""" then same must be true for PCCs?

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Jim__Holland
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I__Like__Ike.......And__PCCs!!
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down with pantographs ---- UP___WITH___TROLLEYPOLES!!!!!!!