[PRCo] Re: PCCs___vs___lrvs

[John Swindler]

>From: "Holland Electric Rwy. Op. H.E.R.O. -- Import SPTC 1.48 Models // 
>James B. Holland" <PRCoPCC at P-R-Co.com>
>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: PCCs___vs___lrvs
>Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 17:12:44 -0700
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>Fred Schneider wrote:
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> > Ah, but the Siemens cars were also not revolutionary.
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>Agreed!       This is the thrust of my comments below  --  modern lrvs
>just an extension of  Already  Existing  Transit  Technology    ----
>so why the arduous month long // xxxx mile Non Revenue operations for
>Each And Every Vehicle purchased???????


Perhaps a marriage of consultants and free money.  Just remember that next 
Monday.  (Opps, I'd never imply that.......)

When you buy a new car, does the dealer allow a month long 'shake down' 
period before you put it into revenue service?  No, your car comes with a 
warranty, and when there are problems, you take it to a dealer.  Why should 
an LRV design that has been delivered to several properties be any 
different?

In addition, LRV purchasers hire engineers to be their representatives at 
the car building plant to insure quality control of the LRV construction 
process.

john



   My original observation is
>that  Off  The  Shelf  Siemens  equipment goes through shake down
>testing before entering service like  <--Specially  Built  Bredas-->  in
>San Francisco.
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> > We were trying to blend German technology in the 1980s with American
> > track maintenance and the two simply did not mate well.       How many
> > years did it take to rebuild the Overbrook line to European track
> > standards, or at least close enough thereto that they could run modern
> > cars?
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>Track Not Necessarily The Problem.       Monomotor design of Siemens
>truck seems to be the culprit as detailed in press releases and Trolley
>Fare articles    ----    Boeing used mono and weren't any problems
>specifically attributed to that.       Siemens used elsewhere in  U.S.A.
>// Canada without  <--problem.-->
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><--Problem-->   Is,  However,   that Siemens equipment has tremendous
>affinity for  <--Hunting-->  as it heads down the tracks  --  lateral
>oscillations that increases with speed.       Have experienced this on
>virtually every Siemens system I have ridden as has local Rail
>Aficionado Harry Peat who has ridden far more than myself    ----
>other equipment, such as UTDC in San Jose and Bombardier in Portland, do
>not exhibit such problems.       Indeed, even the New Low-Floor Siemens
>cars in Portland, OR, exhibited this potential  When  Brand  New!
>Haven't been back to ride since then.
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>Disc brakes on Siemens have a tendency to chatter during application
>making for a rough stop.
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>Siemens // German // European equipment  Not  Without  Problems  of
>their own!
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> >> James B. Holland wrote:
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> >>> Just An Observation!!!
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> >>> Isn't there a lengthy shake down for Siemens car in
> >>> Pittsburgh?        Siemens not uncommon in USA.
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>Jim__Holland
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>I__Like__Ike.......And__PCCs!!
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>down with pantographs ---- UP___WITH___TROLLEYPOLES!!!!!!!
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