[PRCo] Re: Heat at [On] PRCo 1700 Series Cars

[Jim Holland]

Fred Schneider wrote:
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> May I be a s.o.b.

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Your Call!!!!!!!
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> August 1954 ... a Sunday morning ... I rode a 1645 type in regular 
> revenue service to Library and back. It might have been simply that 
> the motorman wanted that car.

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And, as I have already related here on this list  (Please check Noah's 
ArkIves)  Interurbans were strictly segregated for Interurban Service 
Only    ----    B-U-T    ----    I witnessed a 1601 series Interurban on 
the 42 Dormont about mid-1950s displaying  PITTSBURGH  cause Interurban 
PCCs only carried Interurban Destination signs  (destination signs 
eventually changed out on Most Interurbans so they carried all South 
Hills Lines.)       Also, one very snowy evening when I went downtown to 
the Y for the PRMA meet I rode a 17 series interurban on the 
42-Dormont.       Motorman Told Me  (and this is a paraphrase 
quote:::)       """On snowy evenings they catch the Interurbans as they 
pull in and put them out on the city lines because they are Heavier and 
Track Better."""       The 17 series PCC interurbans are, In Fact, 
Lighter than the city 17s by about 200 to 500 pounds, at least according 
to some PCC books.        Chess, I know, that is just a representative 
weight  --  they donut weight every car.       But those are the  ONLY  
two incidents I know of where an Interurban was actually assigned to a 
city line.
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Imperfect World  --  Eggceptions to everything.       I lived in South 
Hills and made every excuse to be on the Interurbans and Stand by my 
statement that Only 17s were sent out for base service while 16s were 
used strictly for rush hour trippers.
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> On Aug 2, 2006, at 3:48 PM, Jim Holland wrote:
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>> 17s ran at All Times.
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>> Daily service on the Interurbans post-1953 cutbacks was 17s 
>> Interurbans only - 16s used only for trippers and other cars needed 
>> for trippers may have been air cars. In fact, Base service from 1951 
>> forward on the Interurbans was the 1700-series Interurbans. Nothing 
>> modified on the cars for air.
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>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <mtoytrain at bellsouth.net>
>>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:10 PM
>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Heat at PRCo 1700 Series Cars
>>>
>>>> Mark Mcguire often speaks of the problem with the 1700 series cars 
>>>> and the heat! must have been terrible riding in them during Heat 
>>>> spells or did the PRCo not run them on HOT days! Other than put in 
>>>> the "Standees" litle windows on top, did not the lower windows open 
>>>> at all? I am sure they must, haven't been able to get hold of Mark 
>>>> and ask him direct?
>>>
>>>> Would be interested in the various comments we get??
>>>>
>>>> Jerry Matsick
>>>> a double ended Jones low floor rider!
>>>