[PRCo] Re: Why a Wye?

Mon Dec 25 18:43:00 EST 2006

There was a fantrip around 1964 that used the wye on Penn Avenue at St. 
Clair in East Liberty.  That fantrip featured a lot of special work such as 
Grant St. onto outbound Liberty Ave., Center St. in Wilkinsburg, inbound 76 
to 75 in Point Breeze, curve from Wood onto Penn in Wilkinsburg, plus the 
wye on Penn Ave. - John

>From: "Mark McGuire" <macmarka at netzero.net>
>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: Why a Wye?
>Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 18:08:39 GMT
>
>   Very nice story Herb! And good for you for mentally thumbing your
>nose at the supervisor.
>   Now, getting to John's post. I have an interurban video I got from
>PTM(for a donation, of course) which has the exact thing John was
>talking about. I believe this was a fantrip. The video was made by
>Lou Redman and Art Ellis. Lots of jumping around but I just about
>have every scene pegged.
>
>-- Herb Brannon <hrbran at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>In the late 1970s the loop at Castle Shannon was removed and replaced
>by a wye. This was do to construction associated with the upgrade (so
>they said)  from PCCs to LRVs. During peak periods a Route Foreman
>(line supervisor) was stationed at the 'wye' to assist operators in
>backing over the very, very, very, very, very well worn switch points
>and rail. One afternoon a supervisor whose name I do not recall.
>However, I do recall he was very mean, very old, and was left over
>from PRCo days. Normally the former PRCo employees were very
>interesting to talk with. This man was not! Anyway, he was backing me
>over the switch point and yelled, in his mean, overbearing
>voice, "Come on, give it some power and get it (the car) back here!"
>I complied and pushed the power pedal further down only to feel the
>car lurch off the rails and into the dirt. I loved
>it...............the jackass supervisor never did have patience
>enough...........now this derailment was all on him!!!!! I, of
>  course, had to rub it in and said, "we could have made it if you had
>not have wanted me to go faster!" I started to pick up the radio
>handset to call Traffic Control. He stopped me and said, "Wait, this
>car can be 'walked' back on the track. Don't call Traffic." He knew
>if I called Traffic there would be Hell to pay for him. At any rate,
>I had him on the receiving end of his B.S. for once and savored every
>minute of it. We did get the car 'walked' back on the rails in a few
>minutes. From that day until that supervisor retired he never spoke
>in a mean or overbearing manner to me again.
>
>   There, you just got "True tales #2--Off the rail at Castle Shannon"
>just in time for Christmas!
>John Swindler <j_swindler at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>I have a memory of 37 car using loop at Castle Shannon, then backing
>onto
>38A loop to return inbound via 42/38. Trouble is, memory not good
>enough to
>recall if happened on more then one occasion, or if this was just a
>recollection from a fantrip. Dont' think it was a fantrip, but
>maybe.....
>Could this have been a way to reduce number of rush hour trippers
>using
>passing sidings on Overbrook?? Help????
>
>John
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Jim Holland
>
> >Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >Subject: [PRCo] Re: Why a Wye?
> >Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 23:55:30 -0800
> >
> >Jim Holland wrote:
> >.
> >
> > > Freight! Wye is a turnaround but in case of Donora it was for
> > > freight.
> > > .
> > > Space limitations -- couldn't make a loop in location of 42-
>Dormont
> >wye.
> >
> >.
> >Motormen backed up line of sight with people walking the tracks
> >behind ---- don't 'know' of any conflicts here -- with
> >people. Sometimes motormen didn't pull up far enough to clear the
> >overhead directional frog and the pole backed up on the wire it
>entered
> >the wye which means it eventually wound up stuck in the spans!!!
> >.
> >.
> >
> > > 87-Ardmore had a wye briefly but upgraded to loop in different
>location.
> > > .
> > > Riverview combination of wye // loop ---- wye portion of loop
>added in
> > > 1922 so northbound Interurbans to Pgh. shared southbound
>Charleroi /
> > > Donora trackage near loop until last leg built to form wye.
> >
> >.
> >.
> >Wyes in Canonsburg and downtown Washington allowed Interurban
>TrolleyCar
> >to layover off-street ---- space saving as well as available real
> >estate!!!
> >.
> >.
> >The wye on the 2-Etna at Dewey just short of the end of the line is a
> >stumper -- maybe it was originally the end of the line and the single
> >track to the loop was added when it became available O-R more likely
> >when the Butler interurban ceased operation!
> >.
> >Castle Shannon loop around the admin Building was not built until
> >1948 ---- before that it had been an elongated wye which was
> >originally used as PullOut routing for either inbound or outbound
> >Interurbans when CS was an operating Car House -- it then doubled as
>a
> >turning point for cars and was used as such after the Car House was
> >'closed.'
> >.
> >There was also a wye on the 94 line that was like Canonsburg -- back
> >into it and pull out forward.
> >.
> >Abandoned intersections sometimes kept a wye as short turn -- we had
> >discussion on this some time back -- one on North Side and one near
> >Homewood.
> >.
> >Had to check my map for some -- this covers 'most' wyes.
> >.
> >.
> >.
> >JJ
> >.
> >.
> >.
> >
> > > mtoytrain at bellsouth.net wrote:
> > > .
> > >
> > >> Why a wye? Yes one in Donora, if Jones low Floor double ended
>cars
> > >> were used, why the wye, a freight station? a turn around? Other
>areas
> > >> of Pittsburgh Railways had wyes so why the wyes?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Merry Christmas to all !
> > >> Jerry Matsick
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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>Herb Brannon
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