[PRCo] Re: Jones Cars

[Edward H. Lybarger]

The 4400s were built on the same order as the 4350s.  Philadelphia Company
owned BVT, too.

The design started with the trailers.  P.N. Jones liked them because they
were faster to load and unload, so he talked his former associates at
Westinghouse Electric into developing a smaller motor that would fit under
them.  It became the 514.

-----Original Message-----
From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of
Holland Electric Rwy. Op. H.E.R.O. -- Import SPTC 1.48 Models // James
B. Holland
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 5:20 PM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Jones Cars


There is a place in the midwest that had a few of the Jones cars  --
can't remember off hand  --  have a photo somewhere but even that eludes
me at the moment.       It was by accident that I came across this fact.

Beaver Traction used the cars and their numbers were 400--411  --
believe Beaver purchased them New but they could have come through
PRCo,; can't remember now  --  these cars came to Pittsburgh as
4400--4411 when Beaver didn't need them any more.       ALL  were gone
by the very early 1940s  (although my notes for scrapping of 4400--4405
are unreadable  --  maybe Ed has something more definitive.)

Outside of that, yes, PRCo is the only place the Jones cars operated
--  That  I  Know  OF!       It was a PRCo design that is Most Correctly
identified as Low-Floor Car, but Jones of PRCo developed some control
units used in the cars and possibly contributed to other aspects of the
design!


Believe the Low Floor Design started with Trailers to be pulled by the
High Floor Design    ----

A200--A299

A-, B-, & C-, 300--424

The A's were Pure Trailers;  Bs and Cs each had 2 motors.       Cs had
K63 control while As and Bs were without.       Controller for shop
movements etc.       Fred will give more complete details.

Believe that Trailers  A217,  A242,  A283,  and  A284  were converted to
Full Fledge Single Cars with Center Doors Only in 1928  --  donut know
why the conversion when All the other Low Floors were already on the
property!.       They were re-numbered 4420--4423.

4200--4249 and
4250--4299

were Double End  (DE)  and were built in 1914 and 1915.       Don't know
if their design was the same.

4300--4399 were DE and of different design  --  this design was carried
forward in all the cars.

4400--4411 purchased from Beaver  (Beaver also had a number of 3756 Look
Alikes!)

4420--4423  converted from Trailers.

ALL  the following Single End  (SE)  cars::

4700--4799

4800--4899

4900--4939
++   Above two groups listed as the following three groups:::
             -- 4800--4824 built by Osgood Bradley
             -- 4825--4864 built by Pressed Steel
             -- 4865--4939 built by St.Louis Car Company (SLCCo)

5000--5099

5100--5159

5200--5282

5400--5464

5500--5549




mtoytrain at bellsouth.net wrote:
.

> In looking at all my Street car books, I have just realized that
> Pittsburgh Railways was the only city using the Jones low floor car
> (Donora type)?      Am I correct on this? Any other Cities?
>
> Jerry





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