[PRCo] Re: Rt. 19 circa 1939

[Edward H. Lybarger]

Cheeseman may have been a little more than halfway out in terms of mileage,
but about in the middle timewise.  We shopped for groceries in Canonsburg
and went to Pittsburgh for almost everything else.  That was natural since
they had come from there and were familiar with the stores and banks.
Joseph Horne Company later opened a branch in Mt. Lebanon that we patronized
once there was the second auto.

We didn't have a super market (or dial telephones) until 1958.

-----Original Message-----
From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of Mark
McGuire
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 5:36 PM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Rt. 19 circa 1939


 That was an interesting tidbit about why your parents moved out
there Ed. Saved me another question. Thanks for sharing.
  Would it be safe to say Cheesemans stop was approximately the half
way point between Pittsburgh and Washington? Your mom could have had
her choice of where to go shopping, but I would guess the big city
won more times than not.

-- "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net> wrote:
The road you see going north at Thompsonville is the old highway.  The
entire stretch between Clifton (McMurray/McLaughlin Run Roads
intersection)
and Donaldson's Crossroads was built in 1940.  The new highway,
coupled with
the nearness of the interurban, was the reason my parents moved out
here in
1941.

-----Original Message-----
From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of
Mark
McGuire
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:02 PM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Rt. 19 circa 1939


 Yes, Ed replied to my e-mail and gave me the obvious answer of rt.
19 not being there. It does end at Thompsonville and this is yet
another place where I was having problems tracing the Penn Pilot 1938-
39 aerial views. I found my way around though. Please answer the
second part of my previous question if you would as to between which
stops was Paris Lake located. Mucho gracias!

                          Mark

-- Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net> wrote:
Yes it was changed in 1940.   The old road north of West McMurray
Road (Donaldson's Crossroads) curves to the west past Ed's home,
then
over the hill and comes back out on the present route 19 just south
of the Eat 'n Park.  The Then I think it crossed what is now the
present roue 19 and crossed the trolley line at Brown's stop (you're
now probably 3/4 mile north of Cheeseman (I think)) and then had to
cross it again before Thompsonville and swing down past the old
school.   Without even looking at the map, I suspect that the old
road may not have even gone north from Thompsonville ... you may
have
had to have driven along the creek under the viaduct, and then
turned
left to come back to the carline.   Not sure without looking at a
map.   It may have also been on the  east side of the car line at
County Line siding.

Remember, Mark, this was not the main road to Washington.   The
principal highway before 1940, i.e. route 19, came out through
Carnegie and Bridgeville, Morganza, Canonsburg, Houston, and then up
over the hill.   Even today it is called Pike Street in deference to
it once being the turnpike or toll road to Pittsburgh.

fws

   Ed is or was out for dinner.   He may be back later.
\
On Apr 5, 2007, at 8:41 PM, Mark McGuire wrote:

>  I sent Ed a personal e-mail asking about a portion of the
Washington
> interurban that is near his residence. I am trying to follow the
line
> from Washington to Drake using the Penn Pilot website. I am totally
> confused after Cheesemans heading north. Was rt. 19 realigned post
> 1939? It is very hard to find the line pertaining to rt. 19. The
road
> looks as if it was broken up at points and this is indeed very
> confusing to me. I followed the line from Washington up to
Cheesemans
> and this is where I can't find rt. 19. Looks as if rt. 19 in 1939
was
> what is now a side street in Ed's neighborhood. Rt. 19 being
> realigned would explain a great deal to me.
>   While I'm here, where exactly was Paris Lake? Was this a stop on
> the line? Between which of these stops was it(heading north to
south):
>
> Clifton
> Fifeshire
> Valley Farm
> Cremona
> Orchard
> Montclair
>
> Any and all help much appreciated!
>
>                               Mark
>
>
>