[PRCo] Re: pat__service__cuts__2007.01.23-changed to 2/1/07

[John Swindler]

I graduated from Edgewood HS, then parents moved to Sunset Hills area 40 
years ago.  They lived on Haverhill Rd., parallel to Sleepy Hollow.  The 41A 
was Sunset Hills to Pgh via Pioneer.  41C was Cedar Blvd.  There was also a 
Sunset Hills shuttle bus to Clearview Loop and another (or same one, but 
other direction) to Cretestone.  Think something also went to Linden Grove.  
It was a loooooong time ago.

My two younger sisters went to Andrew Mellon jr. high - probably be in 
early/mid 1970s.  By then I was in Harrisburg.

John


>From: "Mark McGuire" <macmarka at netzero.net>
>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: pat__service__cuts__2007.01.23-changed to 2/1/07
>Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 22:37:10 GMT
>
>Just curious John, where did you live in Mt. Lebanon? I believe the
>41B was Bower Hill Rd., but what was the 41A? Cedar Blvd.?  I lived
>right up the hill from Keystone Oaks High School(which probably
>wasn't around yet when you lived there). If you came up Biltmore in
>Dormont towards Mt. Lebanon, it turned into Sleepy Hollow Rd. I lived
>down the first left off of Sleepy Hollow(Lovingston Dr.) right over
>the hill.
>   I could have rolled down the hillside to atend high school at
>Keystone Oaks, but had to travel the 2-3 miles to Mt. Lebanon. I
>remember my jr. high school(Andrew Mellon) and all day long hearing
>the streetcars squeeling around Clearview Loop.
>
>-- "John Swindler" <j_swindler at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Yes, it is different this time.  The Transportation Reform Commission
>hired
>consultants that looked at PAT, SEPTA and several other transit
>agencies.
>Let's just say that there is an awareness now of some past practices.
>
>As for converting 41 series bus lines to light rail feeders, this was
>part
>of the Parsons Brinkerhoff (?)study from around 1966 or so.  But I
>was
>referring to after light rail service started through Beechview in
>mid-1980s.
>
>And I had a personal experience.  In late 60s, I commuted to Point
>Park
>College from Mt. Lebanon area.  In the morning for 9am class, I would
>take
>41A to Dormont Wye and transfer to 42/38.  It was a lot faster and
>dependable.  The 41A came down Pioneer Ave. and seemed to spend
>forever tied
>up in traffic at Saw Mill Run and on downtown streets.  Coming home
>in
>evening peak, would reverse process - this time to Sunset bus at
>Clearview
>Loop (could not depend on 41A outbound in pm peak) or take Overbrook
>to
>shuttle from Cretestone.  If after evening class, then 41A direct
>from
>downtown.  By then there was no congestion, and I only had to wait
>for one
>transit vehicle.  I also liked to get the 4th Ave. short turns in
>evening
>peak.  Again, avoided sitting in traffic.
>
>But the lesson I learned later is that my time was free.  But the bus
>driver's time is not free.  It is the taxpayers (not the fare paying
>passengers) that are paying for the driver sitting in traffic.
>
>John
> >From: Joshua Dunfield <joshuad at cs.cmu.edu>
> >Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >Subject: [PRCo] Re: pat__service__cuts__2007.01.23-changed to 2/1/07
>Date:
> >Sat, 03 Feb 2007 17:21:16 -0500
> >
> >John Swindler wrote:
> > > Could this really just be a process to mobilize PAT's
>constituancy to
> >lobby
> > > the state legislature?  After all, it's worked the last 4-5
>years, why
> > > should it not work again.  (do a search of Post Gazette archives)
> >
> >No search needed for me; I remember how it went.  But as I said a
>few weeks
> >ago, this time isn't the same.  The old way of scaring people was to
>put
> >forward totally stupid proposals to cut all service after 7 p.m., or
>9
> >p.m.,
> >or Sundays.  The current proposal looks like a good-faith effort.
>Of
> >course
> >the earlier proposals were indistinguishable from good-faith but
>totally
> >incompetent efforts, so who knows.
> >
> >[...]
> > > But for those on this list, one might ask why most of the 41
>series or
> > > routes slated for abandonment were never changed to light rail
>feeders
> >years
> > > ago.
> >
> >My guess is that feeding would be significantly slower, not even
>counting
> >the ridership-killing inconvenience of a transfer.  Go ahead -- look
>up the
> >schedules and prove me wrong.  The 42S/42L (if we're talking "years
>ago")
> >wasn't exactly a speed demon, not that Overbrook is that much better.
> >
> >-j.
> >
>
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