[PRCo] Re: pat__service__cuts__2007.01.23-changed to 2/1/07

[Fred Schneider]

I'm forwarding this also to the person who told us to buy a Newark -  
Elizabeth ticket and get off at the airport.  Guys, comment back to  
me and I'll post to this web site.

On Feb 6, 2007, at 10:07 PM, John Swindler wrote:

>
> From co-worker:
>
> As for Newark airport, NJ Transit only sells peak hour tickets.   
> And it is
> not a fixed surcharge for the Newark airport stop, but a proportional
> charge.  Further you go, the higher the surcharge.  And Fred's  
> suggestion of
> using an Elizabeth ticket won't work.  There are faregates that  
> require a
> Newark airport ticket to activate.
>
> However, you can buy a Newark Airport-Newark ticket and a Newark- 
> New York
> City off peak ticket from vending machines on the airport station  
> platform.
>   That avoids the airport surcharge and peak hour surcharge for  
> Newark-New
> York City portion of trip.  Same applys towards Trenton.  (never  
> let it be
> said that we don't try to give you value for your state tax dollars)
>
> As for PHL, its changed. (or maybe remembering that there were 6  
> fare zones
> and PHL was top of Penna. scale)  That's the problem with being  
> around too
> long.  Yes, you are correct, Joshua.  It's a $5.50 fare both peak and
> off-peak.  And on a personal note, the fare change machines at  
> Terminal E
> station do not work and the fare vending machines at this terminal  
> do not
> accept the new $10 bills.  At least as of last October.  But SEPTA  
> to 30th
> St. and Amtrak to Lancaster station did work very nicely to save my  
> wife a
> trip to PHL.
>
>
> As for cost to build LRT, depends on how much "gold plating" is  
> involved.
> There was mention at TRB recently of a proposed study to compare
> US-vs-European practices, which seem to have lower costs.  (the 'gold
> plating' title goes back to Harvard Business Review article approx.  
> 35 years
> ago.  It hasn't changed)
>
> John
>
>
>
>> From: Joshua Dunfield <joshuad at cs.cmu.edu>
>> Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: pat__service__cuts__2007.01.23-changed to  
>> 2/1/07 Date:
>> Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:52:08 -0500
>>
>> John Swindler wrote:
>>> It's a six zone trip in Philly.  The soaking of the airline  
>>> passengers
>> is
>>> even more blatent at Newark.  Some have suggested it is to keep  
>>> the cab
>>> drivers happy.  I suspect it is a management decision not to let  
>>> transit
>>> interfere with the parking garage cash flow.
>>
>> The only thing in Zone 6 is Trenton.  PHL is Zone 5.  Which,  
>> including
>> "Zone C", is technically the sixth zone.
>>
>> I don't know, the Newark soaking may be an accurate assessment of  
>> what
>> the market will bear.
>>
>>> The 28X comments are interesting.  Busways may be ok, but the buses
>> still
>>> get stuck in rush hour traffic.  Looked at experience with  
>>> Overbrook LRT
>> vs
>>> South busway schedules at city end, then wondered whose decision  
>>> it was
>> to
>>> go with an Airport busway (to use original selling point) rather  
>>> then
>> light
>>> rail.
>>
>> Building anything, LRT or busway, all the way out to the airport  
>> would have
>> cost a lot more.  And unlike the busway, you can't get a one-seat  
>> ride from
>> a "partway" LRT.
>>
>> The Wabash bridge component would have helped a little, but as I  
>> recall,
>> 28Xs
>> would still have had to traverse downtown streets.
>>
>> -j.
>>
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