[PRCo] Re: an unknown Pittsburgh coal haulage trolley line?

[aprochek at aol.com]

The left looks like it goes to the Mon incline, the right to the Castle Shannon.   I can only gather by this that they ran the trains into the tunnel.  Must not have been too steep a grade and was probably mightly smoky in there.  Maybe they had enough of it after awhile and that's why the incline was built near Haberman. I see no way that the P&CS could be part of the line that I found next to the Knoxville, unless it had another tunnel.  These maps all seem to be pretty precise, and I haven't seen this tunnel shown anywhere.  I still think it may be a tunnel to a mine shaft.
 
Regards
Alex
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: j_swindler at hotmail.com
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Sent: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 3:31 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: an unknown Pittsburgh coal haulage trolley line?



See if this works.  The 1886 atlas shows the P&CS tunnel ending just north 
of intersection of William St. and Bailey, then a wye with one branch going 
straight ahead towards Duquesne (?) incline, and other bearing to right to 
sort of line up with Castle Shannon incline


http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/maps/showmap.pl?client=maps&image=86v01p30&levels=5&originx=0&originy=0&lastlevel=4&fullheight=5292&fullwidth=8074&level=2&size=2&image.x=231&image.y=207




>From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: an unknown Pittsburgh coal haulage trolley line?
>Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 07:48:28 -0500
>
>Let's also take another tack to this investigation.  The location shown in
>the photo and on the map is about a mile away from the mouth of the coal
>tunnel, and almost due east.  Is this possible?  How long was that coal
>tunnel?
>
>Is it possible that there was a second coal tunnel that emerged by the
>Knoxville Incline, one that was not related to the P&CS operation?
>
>Now that I look at that distance and direction, I think I'm uncertain
>exactly what I'm looking at.  More research will be required.
>
>Ed
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
>[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of
>Donald Galt
>Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 5:01 AM
>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: an unknown Pittsburgh coal haulage trolley line?
>
>
>On 4 Jan 2007 at 20:47, Edward H. Lybarger wrote:
>
> > Aha!  Then it IS the north end of the P&CSRR!  PRCo ownership of the
>parcel
> > where the tunnel portal is located kinda ties it down, doesn't it?  And
> > explains why you don't see the tunnel in the photo. It's behind a 
>building
> > but is more likely boarded up.
>
>Forgive me if I'm missing something, but none of the pictures I picked up 
>in
>this thread is anywhere near the P&CS, neither incline nor tunnel.
>
>The P&CS original line did a complete 180-degree horseshoe just short of
>Haberman Avenue, headed back west and curved around to proceed up the draw
>above the south portal of the PRCo tunnel. Its own south portal was just
>west
>of Westwood Avenue, at or possibly just above the level of Eutaw Street. 
>Not
>quite straight, it emerged on the north below Neff Street and above the
>hairpin
>bend of Sycamore Street, and bifurcated in a triangular junction. The left
>branch ran along the west side of the draw and ended in what must have been
>a
>coal tunnel, below and more or less in line with the east end of Grandview
>Avenue. The right branch bent toward the east and ended at the head of the
>original incline at about the 1025-foot level of the right of way used
>eventually for the Castle Shannon (north) incline of recent memory.
>
>The Castle Shannon south incline, for those uncertain, started across 
>Bailey
>Avenue from and just east of the head station of the north incline, and ran
>down the reservation between Haberman Avenue and Laclede Street.
>
>Don G
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