[PRCo] Re: an unknown Pittsburgh coal haulage trolley line?

[Bob Dietrich]

I am confused.  Has this thread gotten away from the original discussion of
the picture and the Knoxville incline to the P&CS tunnel?  I know the maps
are two different locations.  Is the original photo correctly identified as
being near the Knoxville incline or is it really near the Castle Shannon
incline?

The map 1886 John found shows why "Coal Hill", or Mt. Washington was
undermined so badly.  The branch of the wye going toward the Mon. incline is
probably a mine entrance.  Most of the houses on Wyoming street have (had) a
distinctive slant toward the ravine.  Note that the other branch appears to
connect with the Pennsy.  That is hard to believe; I walked that hill many
times as a kid and it is a long way down to those tracks. 

Bob 

-----Original Message-----
From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of John
Swindler
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:32 PM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: an unknown Pittsburgh coal haulage trolley line?



See if this works.  The 1886 atlas shows the P&CS tunnel ending just north 
of intersection of William St. and Bailey, then a wye with one branch going 
straight ahead towards Duquesne (?) incline, and other bearing to right to 
sort of line up with Castle Shannon incline


http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/maps/showmap.pl?client=maps&image=86v
01p30&levels=5&originx=0&originy=0&lastlevel=4&fullheight=5292&fullwidth=807
4&level=2&size=2&image.x=231&image.y=207




>From: "Edward H. Lybarger" <trams2 at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: an unknown Pittsburgh coal haulage trolley line?
>Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 07:48:28 -0500
>
>Let's also take another tack to this investigation.  The location shown in
>the photo and on the map is about a mile away from the mouth of the coal
>tunnel, and almost due east.  Is this possible?  How long was that coal
>tunnel?
>
>Is it possible that there was a second coal tunnel that emerged by the
>Knoxville Incline, one that was not related to the P&CS operation?
>
>Now that I look at that distance and direction, I think I'm uncertain
>exactly what I'm looking at.  More research will be required.
>
>Ed
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
>[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org]On Behalf Of
>Donald Galt
>Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 5:01 AM
>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: an unknown Pittsburgh coal haulage trolley line?
>
>
>On 4 Jan 2007 at 20:47, Edward H. Lybarger wrote:
>
> > Aha!  Then it IS the north end of the P&CSRR!  PRCo ownership of the
>parcel
> > where the tunnel portal is located kinda ties it down, doesn't it?  And
> > explains why you don't see the tunnel in the photo. It's behind a 
>building
> > but is more likely boarded up.
>
>Forgive me if I'm missing something, but none of the pictures I picked up 
>in
>this thread is anywhere near the P&CS, neither incline nor tunnel.
>
>The P&CS original line did a complete 180-degree horseshoe just short of
>Haberman Avenue, headed back west and curved around to proceed up the draw
>above the south portal of the PRCo tunnel. Its own south portal was just
>west
>of Westwood Avenue, at or possibly just above the level of Eutaw Street. 
>Not
>quite straight, it emerged on the north below Neff Street and above the
>hairpin
>bend of Sycamore Street, and bifurcated in a triangular junction. The left
>branch ran along the west side of the draw and ended in what must have been
>a
>coal tunnel, below and more or less in line with the east end of Grandview
>Avenue. The right branch bent toward the east and ended at the head of the
>original incline at about the 1025-foot level of the right of way used
>eventually for the Castle Shannon (north) incline of recent memory.
>
>The Castle Shannon south incline, for those uncertain, started across 
>Bailey
>Avenue from and just east of the head station of the north incline, and ran
>down the reservation between Haberman Avenue and Laclede Street.
>
>Don G
>
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