[PRCo] Re: Pittsburgh Railways 1200 Model

[Jim Holland]

Fred Schneider wrote:
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> I agree with the all races part, Jim, but if we are going to be 
> historically accurate, and you wanted to do that with motorman's 
> badges, then you also need to have some accuracy with the racial 
> splits of people who rode cars in the years when those cars were new 
> to the property.

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Forgot to mention that we need clothing on model psgrs. for Princess 
Summer Spring Winter Fall!!!       Then our models need to be cast in 
T-Storms, gray skies, overcast, Smog, Snow, Hail, Rain, Sleet, 
Ice.......!!!!!!!
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> And 1200s new in Pittsburgh? Most of the negroes at that time lived in 
> Herron Hill and would have been on the 85 line. Pittsburgh had a very 
> small percentage of minorities and until the Lower Hill Redevelopment 
> Program, they were essentially in one area. One would be safe with 
> nothing but whites in anything but a model of an 82 or an 85 car for 
> many years. If you are painting cars for PAT and grunging them up for 
> later Pittsburgh Railways appearance, then Blacks on route 75, 76, 82, 
> 85, 87, and 88 probably would have been perfectly normal but I don't 
> think they really migrated into the area served by route 8 until it 
> became the 11D bus.

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Blacks were Very Common in Homewood in the 1930s and 1940s    ----    
lived there when born.       School Year Books for parents and others 
show a very good mix!!!       Parents lived a block apart on Race Street 
just above Homewood Yards // Shops and neighbors on All sides were black!!
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> Was the Muni hat badge in the Byllsby era the same as the Pittsburgh 
> badge, Jim? Could Leonid make one man with one hat? Really, I think 
> we're asking for two much detail. A round blob or a line drawn on the 
> hat symbolizes a badge. You cannot see much more than that through the 
> windshield.

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Ain't got the foggiest about the badge  --  never included it in the 
original items.       But caps were different  --  some like Bell Hop 
with front brim, others more like cabbies!!

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When  SPTC  made the  PRCo  1700s,  they were   PERFECT   PA  Broad 
Gauge and thus had trouble sitting on standard  U.S.A.  "O"-Scale Rail 
of 5-feets even!       Customers complained about this  --  cheeze whiz, 
girls  --  just build your own to scale!!!!!!! :-) ;-) :-P :-D
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Jim___Holland
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>> Fred Schneider wrote:
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>>> Well, Mr. Holland, I finally got out the cyano-acrolyte glue and 
>>> mounted the small parts on my 1200. How do you spell Super  Glue?
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>>> One thing wrong with that model. No one makes people in O-  gauge as 
>>> perfectly detailed as Leonid makes the streetcar models.
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>>> And since my 1200 model is signed for 85 BEDFORD (and I didn't plan 
>>> on this for the eve of Martin Luther King Day), it would only be 
>>> fitting that it has a car load of people of color. Yes, guys, they 
>>> did run them on that line initially. Who builds perfect seated 
>>> unpainted people in O-gauge with 1940 clothing?
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>>> On Jan 14, 2007, at 7:16 PM, Jim Holland wrote:
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>> This makes a Very Good Chuckle for Today! What you say Is Very True! 
>> One customer wrote that the SPTC models should be delivered with a 
>> Motorman but the models are 'As__Delivered' from the mfgr. to the 
>> operating company and To My Knowledge, none of these prototypes came 
>> with an Operator!!! Yes -- some are company repaints // rebuilds but 
>> even then, the Operator was not involved!!!
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>> With SPTC being Highly Specific about including Every Detail on its 
>> models for that particular operating company, the same would be true of
>> any Operator that SPTC would want to include with its models -- 
>> Uniform, Cap, colors, stripes, etc. would have to be specific For 
>> That Property -- a 'Generic' Motorman would not do!!
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>> 'Maybe' it would be an interesting sideline for SPTC to make 
>> Operators // Passengers for its "O"-Scale models -- Sittees, 
>> Standees, StrapHangers -- All Races!!!!
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>> Jim___Holland
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