[PRCo] Re: PCCs in Operation

[John Swindler]

Doesn't McKinley Ave. in Dallas run a rebodied  ex. Washington PCC?  And 
doesn't Portland run a couple rebodied PCCs?  And is the largest "fleet" of 
PCC cars in US today located at Brookville??

let the "splitting of hairs" commence.  (:>)



>From: Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: PCCs in Operation
>Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:20:05 -0500
>
>The Boston cars are not running at this moment because the Mattapan -
>Ashmont line is temporarily out of service while the Ashmont subway
>station is rebuilt.   Those cars are, as Russ Jackson is his own
>whimsical manner described them, PCC version D for degraded.   The
>field shunts have been removed from the acceleration mode therefore
>they will run no faster than 25 mph and therefore they do not meet
>PCC specifications.  I'm not about to get into a contest over what is
>or what is not a PCC any longer.
>
>Kenosha has five cars from Toronto, as Ken wrote, and I don't think
>that they have been mechanically altered in any way that would change
>the performance specification.
>
>Toronto has one or two in charter service but not in normal scheduled
>service.
>
>Philadelphia had a group of cars that from outward appearances look
>like a PCC but have nothing on them, to the best of my knowledge,
>that was manufactured according to PCC patents.  The trucks are
>totally new and are identical to those on the New Orleans red cars.
>The control package is also totally new and electronic, not a
>resistance control scheme.   I would be hard pressed to call them PCC
>cars.   There may still be some PCC cars in storage that have not
>been sold off or rebuilt by SEPTA.
>
>New Jersey Transit still has a small fleet of cars in storage for
>future use, I think in Bayonne.
>
>And Holland would have to fill in the details on the San Francisco
>fleet.   I know there is one Pittsburgh 4000 out there.   There are
>many of the rebuilt SEPTA cars that had gone first through the 1981
>General Overhaul Program, which removed the field shunting in
>acceleration and also screwed up the braking response.    Like the
>Boston cars, they too no longer meet TRC / PCC specifications but you
>would have a hard time explaining to a non technical mind that they
>are not true PCCs.   I think there are also a few of the original
>Muni Torpedos still running, and they probably are as close to
>original as you get today for a car that is approaching 50 years old.
>
>
>On Jan 16, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Ken & Tracie wrote:
>
> > Boston is running PCCs on the Mattapan-Ashmont line and San
> > Francisco has
> > PCCs running their F line. Kenosha, Wisconsin has a fleet of five
> > running on
> > their line, too.
> >
> > Fred the Third mentioned some wiring or mechanical changes to the
> > Boston
> > cars which technically alters them from true PCC status and I've
> > read that
> > the Philadelphia cars are essentially new non-PCC cars using
> > refurbished PCC
> > bodies.
> >
> > The Kenosha cars are ex-Toronto PCC cars using ex-CTA standard
> > gauge trucks.
> >
> > Corrections and additions to what I typed above are requested.
> >
> > K.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <mtoytrain at bellsouth.net>
> > To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:44 AM
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: PCCs in Operation
> >
> >
> >> Knowing Philadelphia has refurbished PCCs running are there any
> >> other US
> >> Cities running PCCs
> >> cars at this time??.  I thought Boston was, but was told differently.
> >> Also a number of cities,  Tampa, Charlotte Memphis and others have
> >> opened
> >> new  lines what type of cars are they running?  New or refurbished?
> >>
> >> Also being a member of PTM,  is there any plans to extend the
> >> trackage or
> >> right of way or is the
> >> basic track layout  going to be maintained:
> >>
> >> Jerry Matsick
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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