[PRCo] Re: PCCs in Operation

[Fred Schneider]

When the hair splitting commences, I push the delete key.   I haven't  
been up to see the fine people in Brookville in nine months.   I  
don't know what is there.

I think McKinney Avenue bought one car from the Tandy Subway.   You  
want to call it a PCC.   Again, I'm not getting into any urinating  
contests.

Portland?   I never saw one there.

On Jan 16, 2007, at 3:57 PM, John Swindler wrote:

>
> Doesn't McKinley Ave. in Dallas run a rebodied  ex. Washington  
> PCC?  And
> doesn't Portland run a couple rebodied PCCs?  And is the largest  
> "fleet" of
> PCC cars in US today located at Brookville??
>
> let the "splitting of hairs" commence.  (:>)
>
>
>
>> From: Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>
>> Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: PCCs in Operation
>> Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:20:05 -0500
>>
>> The Boston cars are not running at this moment because the Mattapan -
>> Ashmont line is temporarily out of service while the Ashmont subway
>> station is rebuilt.   Those cars are, as Russ Jackson is his own
>> whimsical manner described them, PCC version D for degraded.   The
>> field shunts have been removed from the acceleration mode therefore
>> they will run no faster than 25 mph and therefore they do not meet
>> PCC specifications.  I'm not about to get into a contest over what is
>> or what is not a PCC any longer.
>>
>> Kenosha has five cars from Toronto, as Ken wrote, and I don't think
>> that they have been mechanically altered in any way that would change
>> the performance specification.
>>
>> Toronto has one or two in charter service but not in normal scheduled
>> service.
>>
>> Philadelphia had a group of cars that from outward appearances look
>> like a PCC but have nothing on them, to the best of my knowledge,
>> that was manufactured according to PCC patents.  The trucks are
>> totally new and are identical to those on the New Orleans red cars.
>> The control package is also totally new and electronic, not a
>> resistance control scheme.   I would be hard pressed to call them PCC
>> cars.   There may still be some PCC cars in storage that have not
>> been sold off or rebuilt by SEPTA.
>>
>> New Jersey Transit still has a small fleet of cars in storage for
>> future use, I think in Bayonne.
>>
>> And Holland would have to fill in the details on the San Francisco
>> fleet.   I know there is one Pittsburgh 4000 out there.   There are
>> many of the rebuilt SEPTA cars that had gone first through the 1981
>> General Overhaul Program, which removed the field shunting in
>> acceleration and also screwed up the braking response.    Like the
>> Boston cars, they too no longer meet TRC / PCC specifications but you
>> would have a hard time explaining to a non technical mind that they
>> are not true PCCs.   I think there are also a few of the original
>> Muni Torpedos still running, and they probably are as close to
>> original as you get today for a car that is approaching 50 years old.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2007, at 11:50 AM, Ken & Tracie wrote:
>>
>>> Boston is running PCCs on the Mattapan-Ashmont line and San
>>> Francisco has
>>> PCCs running their F line. Kenosha, Wisconsin has a fleet of five
>>> running on
>>> their line, too.
>>>
>>> Fred the Third mentioned some wiring or mechanical changes to the
>>> Boston
>>> cars which technically alters them from true PCC status and I've
>>> read that
>>> the Philadelphia cars are essentially new non-PCC cars using
>>> refurbished PCC
>>> bodies.
>>>
>>> The Kenosha cars are ex-Toronto PCC cars using ex-CTA standard
>>> gauge trucks.
>>>
>>> Corrections and additions to what I typed above are requested.
>>>
>>> K.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <mtoytrain at bellsouth.net>
>>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:44 AM
>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: PCCs in Operation
>>>
>>>
>>>> Knowing Philadelphia has refurbished PCCs running are there any
>>>> other US
>>>> Cities running PCCs
>>>> cars at this time??.  I thought Boston was, but was told  
>>>> differently.
>>>> Also a number of cities,  Tampa, Charlotte Memphis and others have
>>>> opened
>>>> new  lines what type of cars are they running?  New or refurbished?
>>>>
>>>> Also being a member of PTM,  is there any plans to extend the
>>>> trackage or
>>>> right of way or is the
>>>> basic track layout  going to be maintained:
>>>>
>>>> Jerry Matsick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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