[PRCo] Re: Wabash Tunnel in Operation

[John Swindler]

Concerning driving under elevated columns - preferably with a 102" bus.  
It's no challange with one of those "wimpy" 96" models.  (:>)   But then the 
driver's position and mirrors were designed for visibility, and not 
appearance, like with an auto. (think Jim had some comment about this)

John


>From: Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>
>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: Wabash Tunnel in Operation Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 
>20:43:26 -0500
>
>I guess my problem is the lack of proper training in the United
>States compared with European countries.   I've noticed, and I'm
>certain that Ed Lybarger will agree with me, and perhaps anyone else
>who has put in a lot of miles on European roads like we have, that
>the average European knows the width of his vehicle precisely in
>traffic.  You can tell, Joshua, just by following some people across
>the Pennsylvania Turnpike that many of our drivers have no clue how
>wide their vehicles are when they get to a tunnel and slow down to 30
>mph.   Will it fit?????  My God.  The truck semi ahead of you went in
>with no problem.  And they inch along at 30 for the entire length of
>the tunnel, and then they speed up to 85 when they get out and they
>have 10 feet on either side of them.    I tend to blame the problem
>on permitting kids to get licenses after being trained by parents,
>friends, aunts, uncles, boy friends, girl friends, many of whom are
>also clueless.  And they would have trouble driving between the
>elevated columns in West Philadelphia or Chicago with a compact
>car.   Ad John Swindler or Jim Holland would not have a problem doing
>it with a 40 foot bus.
>
>On Jan 19, 2007, at 7:45 PM, Joshua Dunfield wrote:
>
> >
> >> On Jan 19, 2007, at 6:23 PM, trams2 at comcast.net wrote:
> >>
> >>> The lawyers have to make it safe for everyone, remember?
> >>> Especially PennDOT lawyers.  People might run into each other and
> >>> then claim that it's the state's (or Port Authority's) fault
> >>> instead of their own.
> >>> The problem is that these people often prevail.
> >>>
> >>> Ed
> >
> > It's not that unreasonable to think that people accustomed to "modern"
> > lane widths -- which is most people, except maybe the ones who drive
> > the Turnpike every day -- might well run into each other.  And blaming
> > the people involved doesn't un-maim or un-kill them, or their kids in
> > the back seat.  Nor does blaming those oh-so-villainous lawyers.
> >
> > (I don't think it's that reasonable, either, risk management and all.
> > People slow down if it doesn't feel safe, and being in a tunnel with
> > narrow-by-modern-standards lanes, facing oncoming traffic, doesn't
> > feel
> > particularly safe.)
> >
> > Fred Schneider wrote:
> >> The SPEED BUMP cartoon tonight was particularly appropriate.   Man
> >> walks down street and observes sign painted on law office window.
> >> It reads:   "Peterson, Peterson, Peterson and Peterson.    ATTORNEYS
> >> SPECIALIZING IN ENRICHING THE PETERSON FAMILY SINCE 1961."
> >
> > That's right.  Lawyers should work for free (just like motormen).
> > Or is your point that they shouldn't work at all?
> >
> > -j.
> >
>
>

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