[PRCo] Re: Drum__Brakes_--_All-Electrics,__etc........

[Boris Cefer]

Now 21st!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Holland" <PRCoPCC at P-R-Co.com>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 10:34 PM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Drum__Brakes_--_All-Electrics,__etc........


> This has to be the 20th time that this has been disgusted here!!!!!!!!!!!1
>
> Fred Schneider wrote:
>> Motor leads disconnected.   A motor was replaced the day before and a
>> lead was not properly connected.   When any one motor is removed from
>> the circuit, dynamics do not work because you do not have a complete
>> brake loop.   It was a new operator.   He came all the way in sliding
>> through stops using just the shaft brakes and track brakes.   But he
>> got out of control in the tunnel.   He was new, inadequately trained
>> and didn't realize that was wrong.
>>
>> There was a similar incident about the same time in Philadelphia.   A
>> SEPTA motorman had a bad motor.  He cut out one of the motor pairs
>> and then ran the car in violation of SEPTA rules that street
>> operators are forbidden to run with motors cut out.   When he got to
>> the loop at 42nd and Baltimore he found he wasn't able to stop the
>> car ... he rolled it on it's side.   I think it was an air-car.    I
>> saw another motorman that evening and asked what would happen to
>> him.   That was during Joe Boscia's tenure at SEPTA.  Joe ran with an
>> iron fist.   The rules said you don't do something and if you violate
>> them you're out the door.   And that's what happened.   Joe
>> eventually came up against politics and left SEPTA and is now with
>> New Jersey Transit.   I saw Joe at the East Penn Traction Club meet
>> in Villanova two weeks ago ... still very much a railfan and I think
>> he's still with NJT.
>>
>> On May 27, 2007, at 11:24 AM, Ken & Tracie wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Form Herb:
>>>
>>> Were the air cars so poorly maintained or so deteriorated
>>> mechanically that
>>> you made it a point to change out for a 1700 whenever you had the
>>> "over the
>>> hill" run?
>>>
>>> For anybody who recalls the 1727 runaway accident:
>>>
>>> What caused the brakes to fail on 1727 when it ran away and
>>> derailed? That
>>> made the paper way out here in Las Vegas.
>>>
>>> No broken air lines on that car... ;-)
>>>
>>> K.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Herb Brannon" <hrbran at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:28 AM
>>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Drum__Brakes_--_All-Electrics,__etc........
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> When mechanical 'things' (in this case a 1945 PCC streetcar, still
>>>> operating in 1975-76) get to a certain age, like humans, they
>>>> start to
>>>> fall apart. Yes, it was the "Spirit of '76" car, and it had a bad air
>>>> leak. It would not have mattered if it would have had every type
>>>> of air
>>>> applied brake known to mankind, it still would not have stopped
>>>> without
>>>> any air pressure to apply the brakes. That brake system (air
>>>> applied/spring release), in my opinion, was one of the more stupid
>>>> systems
>>>> devised. Couldn't at least one of the scores of engineers working
>>>> on the
>>>> PCC project thought far enough to realize that a spring applied/air
>>>> released system would have been safer ???? They thought enought to
>>>> put a
>>>> 'hand brake' on the car, why not a "fail safe" braking system?
>>>> Boris Cefer <westinghouse at iol.cz> wrote:  Are you sure, Herb? 1776
>>>> was
>>>> formerly an interurban car with B-3 trucks and
>>>> spring-applied drum brakes with air actuators (pressure-releasing).
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rise Up -- Go Cavs
>>>>  Herb Brannon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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