[PRCo] Re: PRCo 3555 & 3550

[Fred Schneider]

I have books that would show bare weights of motors ... you guessed  
it, they too are at home.

On Oct 2, 2007, at 9:08 PM, Jim Holland wrote:

> Hi Fred!
>
>
> The car just doesn't look Pgh~!~!~!     The 4000s and 41s, even  
> with end
> doors, did look PRCo but this one just doesn't fit in.
>
> I have a 1944 roster put together by Charles J Murphy using rosters by
> Henry J. Leinbach-Jr and Charles Dengler as sources.     Kuhlman is
> listed as the builder here and the weight is given as 46,500 and the
> date of purchase is listed as 1912.     Motors listed are 4 WH-56  
> 45hp.
>    The 1400-series PCCs are the latest listed on the roster.
> .
> An Updated Roster 1963.08.10  (Bartley,  Dengler,  Leinbach,  Murphy,
> Cummings)  lists 3555 as built in 1909 but still lists Kuhlman as
> builder and everything else listed is the same.     The notation is  
> that
> this is the first Steel car ordered by PRCo.
> .
> Another roster lists everything about All the cars, even their  
> scrapping
> date and location and method~!~!~!~!     The weight is listed as  
> 46,500
> 4 motors total horse 240, builder Standard.     It was scrapped by
> burning at West Park on 1932.04.23.
> .
> .
> What about 3550 built by Niles, also 1909 weighing 49,000?     This is
> listed as 2 WH 303 100hp with siderods; 4 WH 93 60hp without rods.
> K35 w/rods;  K43 w/o-rods.     Trucks were SLCCo 47-A.
> .
> Notes say some 34s and 35s were later converted to rods~!~!~!~!
> .
> .
> The first two rosters indicate that 3556 was built from 4200s for  
> use on
> the interurbans~!~!~!
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> Fred Schneider wrote:
>> The roster shows 3555, the "Jolly Bachelor," built by Standard Steel
>> in 1909 and riding on Standard C-50 trucks. It was the first arch  
>> roof
>> PRC car. It had K-35 control and 4 Westinghouse No. 56 motors. There
>> are conflicting weights in PRC records: 38,000 pounds versus 46,500
>> pounds. PCC cars were in the 36,000 to 38,000 lb. range as were the
>> low floor cars with arch bar trucks. There is no way this critter
>> could have only weighed 38,000 lbs. with Standard C50s. Some sources
>> show the builder as Kuhlman but PRC vouchers files show it came from
>> Standard Steel.
>>
>> The weight differences may have been for two different periods. The
>> side rods were used when it was a two-motor car. They were removed
>> when it became a four-motor car. Four 40 horsepower motors might have
>> weighed around 5000 pounds. I have no clue what was on earlier but if
>> we assume it had two 60 horse motors, that might have been 3000 lbs.
>> plus the side rods. That still isn't enough to account for the 8500
>> pound difference.
>>
>> Those side rods were not unique to this car. All the 4000s also had
>> them for a while. They also started out as two motor cars and were
>> converted to four motors.
>>
>> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/shawncd/SHJ/cr3555.htm
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> Jim  Holland
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