[PRCo] Re: Liberty 12th Wye_--_Why?~?~?~!~!~!

[John Swindler]

Hi Herb

Yes, 86 East Liberty Express went out Liberty Avenue; as opposed to slower 
88 Frankstown route on Penn.

Perhaps because also on Penn were:
88
89
94 Sharpsburg,
96 Morningside (?) -East Liberty (it went downtown then);
the Penn-Shady-Forbes (?) belt lines,
perhaps also the Bloomfield belt lines,
and there may have been a East Liberty-Larimar loop route via Penn.  (Or 
maybe the 86 did the Larimar loop.)

And the 87 Ardmore terminated in East Liberty in early years.

This was from a PUC decision, circa 1918.  Haven't looked at this in quite a 
few years.

John



>From: Herb Brannon <hrbran at sbcglobal.net>
>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: Liberty 12th Wye_--_Why?~?~?~!~!~!
>Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 10:06:20 -0700 (PDT)
>
>At one time wasn't there a route 86-E. Liberty Express. I'm talking about 
>early PRCo days not PATransit. I had the Rt 86 explained to me by Oliver 
>Miller one time. I believe Oliver indicated the route used Liberty (west of 
>32nd) rather than Penn as the 87 and 88 routes did.
>"Barry, Matthew R" <mrb190 at pitt.edu> wrote:
>I am not sure, but it may have had something to do with the possibility of 
>detouring cars that would have traveled inbound over Penn Avenue. There was 
>an inmound track coming down Liberty Avenue at 32nd street, that switched 
>into the outbound Liberty Avenue track. Plus there were inbound tracks on 
>Penn that had switches leading into two side streets onto the outbound 
>Liberty track.
>
>Anyone else want to take this?
>
>Matt
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org 
>[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of Jim 
>Holland
>Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 1:20 AM
>To: - 1714 PRCo__WP__JTC -
>Subject: [PRCo] Liberty 12th Wye_--_Why?~?~?~!~!~!
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>*http://tinyurl.com/22zq3r
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>**Had to check my maps to confirm but yes, Matilda, a single track wye
>did exist at Liberty and 12th. Had there been a wye on 12th and Penn
>then we would have had a short stretch of single track to short turn
>from either direction. But only a simple turn for the
>44-Knoxville_&_PA_Stn existed at Penn and 12th so _Why_The_Wye_ at
>Liberty and 12th?~!~?
>*
>--
>*Jim Holland*
>
>Studying *Pittsburgh Railways Company*
>
>....................From 1930 -- 1950
>
>*Pennsylvania Trolley Museum (PTM)*
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>http://www.pa-trolley.org/
>
>*N.M.R.A.*
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>http://www.nmra.org/
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>Herb Brannon
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