[PRCo] Re: Liberty 12th Wye_--_Why?~?~?~!~!~!

[Jim Holland]

 >>> Herb wrote::

 >>> At one time wasn't there a route 86-E. Liberty Express.
 >>> I'm talking about early PRCo days not PATransit.
 >>> I had the Rt 86 explained to me by Oliver Miller one time.
 >>> I believe Oliver indicated the route used Liberty
 >>> (west of 32nd) rather than Penn as the 87 and 88 routes did.

This is the first I heard of it and would be before 1940 - 
"""Approximately"""  then both Liberty and Penn were made one way.

 >> "Barry, Matthew R" <mrb190 at pitt.edu> wrote:

 >> I am not sure, but it may have had something to do with
 >> the possibility of detouring cars that would have traveled
 >> inbound over Penn Avenue. There was an inbound
 >> track coming down Liberty Avenue at 32nd street,
 >> that switched into the outbound Liberty Avenue track.
.
Excellent thought, Matt~!~!~!     This would require some coordinated 
operations  (doubt there were Nachods on the  ""single track""  
portion(S) of Liberty OB but a car Could Come Inbound Along Liberty, use 
the  'wye'  at 12th, and go back to operating on Penn IB.    What's 
interesting is that this wye looks like it may have been rebuilt in the 
1950s when Greyhound moved to the location between 11th and 12th~!~!~!
.
 >> Plus there were inbound tracks on Penn that had
 >> switches leading into two side streets onto
 >> the outbound Liberty track.
.
According to the maps Penn IB to 15th to Liberty OB.   Could do the same 
at 22nd IB to OB and at 23rd OB Liberty to Inbound Penn  --  and a 
TrolleyCar could do Loop-de-Loops through 22nd and 23rd into 
infinity.     The double track on Liberty was between 21st and 24th Plus 
a short stretch of double at 32nd to allow an IB car access to  Liberty 
west of 32nd~!~!~!     This  'Does'  give a possible explanation of the 
Wye at 12th and Liberty
.
 > John wrote:
.
 > Both Penn and Liberty were once double track.
 > Later converted into one-way pairs. Was some
 > of this trackwork kept in place to turn cars during
 > floods?????
.
That could explain the wye at 12th - please see above.
.
 > Also, wasn't there an 89 Frankstown Short that turned
 > somewhere in strip district??
.
I remember an 88-Short but it turned OB to IB at Homewood  --  what 
would the purpose be of turning short in the Strip?


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