[PRCo] Re: Liberty 12th Wye_--_Why?~?~?~!~!~!

[John Swindler]

Then there was also an 89 Frankstown short which terminated inbound in strip 
district.  This was in the 20s-30s  (just like yesterday - (:>)

John




>From: Jim Holland <PRCoPCC at P-R-Co.com>
>Reply-To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>To: - 1714 PRCo__WP__JTC - <pittsburgh-railways at lists.dementia.org>
>Subject: [PRCo] Re: Liberty 12th Wye_--_Why?~?~?~!~!~!
>Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:27:20 -0700
>
>  >>> Herb wrote::
>
>  >>> At one time wasn't there a route 86-E. Liberty Express.
>  >>> I'm talking about early PRCo days not PATransit.
>  >>> I had the Rt 86 explained to me by Oliver Miller one time.
>  >>> I believe Oliver indicated the route used Liberty
>  >>> (west of 32nd) rather than Penn as the 87 and 88 routes did.
>
>This is the first I heard of it and would be before 1940 -
>"""Approximately"""  then both Liberty and Penn were made one way.
>
>  >> "Barry, Matthew R" <mrb190 at pitt.edu> wrote:
>
>  >> I am not sure, but it may have had something to do with
>  >> the possibility of detouring cars that would have traveled
>  >> inbound over Penn Avenue. There was an inbound
>  >> track coming down Liberty Avenue at 32nd street,
>  >> that switched into the outbound Liberty Avenue track.
>.
>Excellent thought, Matt~!~!~!     This would require some coordinated
>operations  (doubt there were Nachods on the  ""single track""
>portion(S) of Liberty OB but a car Could Come Inbound Along Liberty, use
>the  'wye'  at 12th, and go back to operating on Penn IB.    What's
>interesting is that this wye looks like it may have been rebuilt in the
>1950s when Greyhound moved to the location between 11th and 12th~!~!~!
>.
>  >> Plus there were inbound tracks on Penn that had
>  >> switches leading into two side streets onto
>  >> the outbound Liberty track.
>.
>According to the maps Penn IB to 15th to Liberty OB.   Could do the same
>at 22nd IB to OB and at 23rd OB Liberty to Inbound Penn  --  and a
>TrolleyCar could do Loop-de-Loops through 22nd and 23rd into
>infinity.     The double track on Liberty was between 21st and 24th Plus
>a short stretch of double at 32nd to allow an IB car access to  Liberty
>west of 32nd~!~!~!     This  'Does'  give a possible explanation of the
>Wye at 12th and Liberty
>.
>  > John wrote:
>.
>  > Both Penn and Liberty were once double track.
>  > Later converted into one-way pairs. Was some
>  > of this trackwork kept in place to turn cars during
>  > floods?????
>.
>That could explain the wye at 12th - please see above.
>.
>  > Also, wasn't there an 89 Frankstown Short that turned
>  > somewhere in strip district??
>.
>I remember an 88-Short but it turned OB to IB at Homewood  --  what
>would the purpose be of turning short in the Strip?
>
>
>--
>*Jim Holland*
>
>Studying *Pittsburgh Railways Company*
>
>....................From 1930 -- 1950
>
>*Pennsylvania Trolley Museum (PTM)*
>
>http://www.pa-trolley.org/
>
>*N.M.R.A.*
>
>http://www.nmra.org/
>
>

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