[PRCo] Re: Route 86 East Liberty

[Fred Schneider]

Yes, they give every single detail of every route.   Unfortunately,  
Jim, it is all hand written in the script of the time.   Some of it  
is pretty difficult to read.   In the keeper of the cards in the  
1920s printed.   But the scribe in the 1905-1920 period had what is  
sometimes an illegible scrawl.

The cards start with Begins at Herman St., Jones, Penn, 1st, Market,  
1st, Podunk, Market, Whatchamakallit, Shasta, Jones and back to  
Herman.   Of course this is an imaginary route.   And what I wrote is  
legible.

If you want something, I would suggest you make time in your schedule  
to meet with Fred, Ed or Tim Jones and look at the route cards in the  
library at PTM.

There are a lot of book projects I've wanted to do before I die.    
One was the evolutionary history of the streetcar, sort of in  
parallel to a series that used to be on the learning channel called  
Connections, where we take invention a and follow it.   Another  
project I wanted to do is a book on those streetcars in our museums  
that are significant and deserve to be preserved based on a  
engineering and evolutionary perspective instead of "I rode it"  
perspective ... sort of a bible for the museum archivists.   A third  
project is a legible route directory for Pittsburgh, starting with  
the route cards, and going forward and backward.

Obviously, for a man who is 67, I dream a lot.



On Sep 5, 2007, at 5:20 PM, Jim Holland wrote:

>> f3 wrote:
> .
>> Route 86 and 87 Ardmore were two separate routes
>> going opposite directions from East Liberty.
>
>> Route 86 went from Penn and Highland,
>> East Liberty to "Dawntawn."
>> It was established Dec. 3, 1906.
>
>> In Jan., 1923 route 86 was extended on the Paulson,
>> Shetland, Larimer loop in East Liberty.
>> On August 6, 1928 it was rerouted over Penn,
>> Frankstown, Felicia and Braddock to Homewood.
>> Nov. 30, 1928 cars began to terminate at
>> Frankstown Loop, Wilkinsburg.
>
>> Route 87 ran from East Liberty to Wilmerding in 1917
>> and was shortened to Tioga Loop,
>> Wilkensburg, to Wilmerding in 1930.
>
>> Then, effective August 22, 1937, route 86 was
>> combined into 87 and the route number 86
>> was abolished. On that date cars ran through
>> under the 87 number from Wilmerding to
>> Downtown Pittsburgh.
>
> For the purposes of our Liberty // 12th discussion do the route cards
> say anything about this portion of the line and how it looped  
> downtown~?~?~?
>
>
> -- 
> *Jim Holland*
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> ....................From 1930 -- 1950
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