[PRCo] Traffic -- San Francisco

[Jim Holland]

 > Fred wrote:
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 > So if traffic is so fluid in San Francisco (and you're right ...
 > its fluid because no one drives and it's abysmal in the
 > East Bay), why don't people drive in San Francisco?
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Good to know that I am right about SF traffic  --  Thank You~!~!     We 
have traffic in SF  --  mostly people getting to the freeway to go to 
the East Bay or south-- affects me some on the bus but schedules are 
arranged so it is not much of a problem  --  traffic heading north over 
Golden Gate doesn't affect me except at Van Ness.     Infamous 101 is on 
city streets in SF  --  Van Ness to Lombard to GG Bridge.     Horrible 
traffic here at times and heading south to 101, but doesn't affect me as 
a rule.     But those using 101 or I-280 northbound intending to go to 
GG bridge will probably use 19th Ave on local city streets.     101 to 
I-380 to I-280 to 19th Ave to direct connection to GG bridge  --  Much 
Faster than 101 through downtown, but wisitor wouldn't know this 
necessarily.     I live on 32nd and blocks are short  --  <300-feet from 
nearest to nearest crosswalk!     I use 19th to get to work and it is a 
zip  --  Usually~!~!~
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 > Why do most people leave their cars at home?
 > Is gasoline so much more expensive than across the
 > bay? Are insurance costs so high that auto ownership is
 > much lower? Are downtown parking rates so high that
 > most people won't even consider taking a car downtown?
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Can't prove one way or another that most people do // don't leave cars 
at home.
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Gas is about 10 to 30 centavos  (you know, there ain't no more cent 
symbols on these here keyboards  --  they were on trypewriters~!~!)  
more in SF than other parts of Bay Area.     Told it is considerably 
cheaper in LA-LA-LAnd.     Parking rates Are Extremely Reasonable and 
gets the dander up on Transit Advocates.     I try to fill up when south 
visiting Family.
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 > Are the Muni passes so cheap that people feel it isn't worth driving
 > (I note that the monthly pass is effectively $1.00 a ride if
 > you commute every five days a week and it's also good
 > on BART and the cable cars)? (Frankly, I'm of the
 > opinion that even at $1.50 one-way, the regular cash fare is
 > so cheap I wouldn't want to drive a car and park it in San Francisco).
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You know the cost better than me  --  I donut sell nor buy same~!~!     
     Fast Pass good on Cables  --  was good on BART WithIn SF Only, 
don't know about today  --  there were problems with this and it might 
have been discontinued.     Adult Fast Pass is $45.00/month For 
UnLimited Riding  --  Snoring Citizens is $10.00/month.
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https://services.sfgov.org/mtacards/default.aspx?page=cards
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 > So give me your opinions on why the city is fluid.
 > Mine was simply that the population density was
 > so high that Muni worked. You're giving me a correlary.
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Don't have any opinions nor facts on why the city is so fluid.
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My first trip out of downtown I leave at 4.55-PM  --  used to be 5.00-PM 
sharp until the so-called  "Service Adjustments"  a number of years ago  
--  rarely get a seated load this trip.     My 6.15-PM trip has 
Historically been the heaviest.     Quite often get sardine can and 
sometimes pass intending passengers  --  have worked this same Run it 
for last dozen years.     Am  *_Guessing_*  that this is the heaviest 
trip because many come in on BART from N, S, East Bay on BART or other 
transport and then ride home.     This trip is lighter on Friday 
apparently because many have other plans after work.
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Since Labor Day early evening ridership is Up Considerably  --  was last 
couple years as well.     Many Very Young Foreigners, very early 20s, 
great passengers, ready and willing to pay.     This should taper off 
within a month  --  don't know why.     Post and Sutter downtown on my 
route are like a race track until well after midnight and I carry light 
loads after 9-PM  --  1-California about 4 blocks north is Dead where 
traffic is concerned but Very Heavy Ridership until midnight  --  go 
figger where the peebles come from~!
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*Jim Holland*

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