[PRCo] PRCo__PCC__#100
Jim Holland
PRCoPCC at P-R-Co.com
Sun Sep 16 18:53:13 EDT 2007
Thinning out the following:::
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The following lists the SLCCo Job_#, Quantity, Customer, Order Date,
Shipping Dates In That Order (Job_#s run consecutively; a few are
skipped for expediency:::::)
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1600 099 B&QT NY 1935.06.24 1936.08.19--1937.01.08
1607 001 BERy MA 1936.10.01 1937.05.19
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Above Information from Lind's book on SLCCo, pg.366.
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Note for Job_#-1607 (pg.365) states: """The car was diverted from car
Job_1600."""
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"""...B&QT had contemplated entering the equipment brokerage business;
only 100 cars would have been built for use in Brooklyn, the others were
for resale. As it turned out, only one car was ever sold to another
operator. SLCCo records note that Boston's 3001 was ordered by B&QT."""
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"""...Although the single vehicle comprised the fourth order placed with
SLCCo, number 100 was the first PCC car delivered in the world. It
ran in free demonstration service for two weeks starting September_12,
and was then assigned to Craft Ave. Carhouse for service on route
50-Carson-St. The Railways Co. was so pleased with the modern car
that it placed seven additional orders with SLCCo between July_1936 and
September_1947."""
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"""Car 100 entered revenue service on route 50-Carson-St. in August_1936
and continued to work that line out of Carrick Car House for the next
11-years..."""
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The above three quotes from pg.041 (text, 2nd paragraph,) pg.162 (text,
first full paragraph,) and pg.163 photo caption of PCC Coast to
Coast. Please note discrepancies in PRCo quotes.
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"""...The first Brooklyn production car [1001] was shipped to the TRC in
June_1936 for three months of testing.... The remainder of the order
began arriving in Brooklyn late in August, which permitted revenue
operation to begin on October_1."""
"""The first five Baltimore cars were also given three months of
pre-revenue testing..."""
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The above text is from bottom pg.52 through top pg.53 of PCC Car Fought
Back.
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"""It is not generally appreciated that although Pittsburgh #100 was
ordered after the Brooklyn, Baltimore and Chicago cars, it was in fact
the very first PCC car to be completed, delivered and put into
service. Finished in June_1936, it was running in Pittsburgh a few
days later, over four months before the Brooklyn cars went into traffic."""
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This quote from photo caption, pg.196 of Andrew Young's book on
SLCCo. Pg.207 Seems To Indicate that Brooklyn ordered 500-PCC cars.
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P~H~O~T~O~S::::
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Pg.076 PCC Fought Back, 2nd photo #100 *suggests* blooming trees at
SLCCo! Pg.091 shows broadside of #100 in Homewood with Trees in Full
Bloom -- Appears Brand Spanking New~!~! Pg.159 shows interior with
full bloom bushes visible outside.
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Pg.047 of Demoro's PCC book shows same identical broadside of #100 as
pg.091 above, PITTSBURGH in side dustynation sign as above.
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Pg.196 of Young's book shows Gordon and Fitzgerald with #100 in
Homewood, Very Possibly same time that Pg.047 of Demoro and Pg.091 of
Fought Back -- full bloom trees. Same op cab on bottom pg.197 as
pg.159 of Fought Back showing full bloom bushes outside. Interior at
SLCCo above that but bushes / trees not evident~!~!
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PCC Coast to Coast pg.162 shows very similar photo to Pg.196 of Young's
book but w/o Gordon / Fitzgerald - full bloom trees -- only date in
photo caption is ""..summer of our youth..""
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What can we Seduce from the Above about PRCo PCC #100~?~?~?
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-01->--It was a Bonafide Stand Alone Order -- Not a Car pulled from
another order. Lind's notes (Job_#-1607) and the 1st quote from PCC
Coast to Coast about B&QT also indicates that only BERy 3001 was pulled
from the NY order.
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-02->--Demoro indicates that PRCo PCC_#100 was the second car to start
construction.
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-03->--Young indicates that PRCo PCC_#100 was::
.......4th order (confirmed by All Above)
.......First PCC car to be completed.
.......First PCC car to be delivered.
.......First PCC car to be in Revenue Service - Collecting Fares!
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-04->--ALL the photos show the car In Summer in Pgh - photos lack
specific dating.
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The above also raises the question of the super fast construction time
of #100 which could lead us to assume:
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-A->--Order date is Wrong /
..............Typo error and should be backed
..............up to near Brooklyn order date in 1935.
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-B->--Order date is Correct; consider the following::
.......1547 sent directly to Twin Cities.
.......1674 and 1675 sent directly to Detroit.
.......Order / Delivery Dates
..............Less Than 1 month apart for Twin Cities
..............About 1-month apart for Detroit
.......Above two Much Later than construction of 100, almost decade.
.......Completed PRCo cars sent to each company above.
.......Above 2 companies Non-PCC and SLCCo
..............eager to entice them as customers.
.......Similar for PRCo - SLCCo eager to entice PRCo
..............as customer so takes a car under
..............construction but not necessarily
..............designated for B&QT, BTCo and certainly
..............not for CTA and completes it for PRCo.
.......Westinghouse might have *urged* SLCCo to rush a
..............car for PRCo to show off its equipment.
.......Wide gauge trucks available as BTCo is slightly
..............wider than PRCo~!~!
.......Interior arrangement / materials readily available.
.......Exterior of All Early PCCs Highly Similar.
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D-E-M-O-N-S-T-R-A-T-O-R::::
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-P1->--.......for PRCo to see if it likes PCCs.
-P2->--.......for Pgh. as an example of More
.....................Like TrolleyCars On Order
.....................for Delivery in the
.....................Very Near Future.
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From the evidence presented #01, #03, #04 all seem to be factual.
PRCo PCC #100 could have been delivered in May -- seem to remember
that but haven't been able to find verification.
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"B" above seems the most logical as well as does P2 as Tens seemed to
have been ordered Before / As #100 was delivered.
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> Ed writes (Please see URLs below::)
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> I stand corrected...it WAS the Boston car that was
> taken from the B&QT order.
> 100 must indeed have been a free-standing order.
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> Why so fast?
.......Maybe St. Louis knew the order was coming...
..............PRCo's Dan Bell held the patent on the body design.
.......Maybe Westinghouse wanted it expedited.
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http://lists.dementia.org/mlist/pittsburgh-railways/2007-09/msg00548.html
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O~R:
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http://tinyurl.com/33tf93
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>From Ed Lybarger::
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I stand corrected...it WAS the Boston car that was taken from the B&QT
order. 100 must indeed have been a free-standing order.
Why so fast? Maybe St. Louis knew the order was coming...PRCo's Dan
Bell held the patent on the body design. Maybe Westinghouse wanted it
expedited. Maybe all of the above.
-----Original Message-----
From: pittsburgh-rail...org
[pittsburgh-rail...org]On Behalf Of Edward H. Lybarger
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 5:14 PM
To: pittsburgh-rail...org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: PRCo__PCC__#100
Car 100 was the 100th car body of the Brooklyn order. They bought the
sample from Clark and 99 from St. Louis.
But 100 was equipped with Westinghouse apparatus and was the first PCC
thus equipped.
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*Jim Holland*
Studying *Pittsburgh Railways Company*
....................From 1930 -- 1950
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