[PRCo] Re: P-r-w, housing, cities, etc.

[Schneider Fred]

OK.     Sparsely settled would have been a much better term.

On Dec 10, 2008, at 8:13 PM, John Swindler wrote:

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> What is the basis for Pittsburgh being Indian country in 1800???   
> 1770, maybe, but Indians gone by 1800s.  Need to check historical  
> records.
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> John
>> From: fwschneider at comcast.net> Subject: [PRCo] P-r-w, housing,  
>> cities, etc.> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:06:38 -0500> To:  
>> pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> > Uh huh. That's because the  
>> city was unsettled then.> > In 1700 the frontier was Philadelphia,  
>> Williamsburg, Boston, > Charleston, Baltimore.> > In 1750 the  
>> frontier was Lancaster or Charlottesville.> > In 1800 Pittsburgh  
>> was indian territory.> > In the 1880s people were beginning to  
>> move up into what is now Perry > Hilltop. My grandmothers  
>> neighborhood by Riverview Park off of > Perrysville Avenue was a  
>> Watson land development from the teens of > 1920s.> > West View  
>> Park was built in 1906. The land around it was developed > in that  
>> period. Nothing was there.> > The older homes in Brookline and  
>> Mount Lebanon and Dormont are > largely teens, twenties, a few  
>> thirties, forties.> > Penn Hills? After World War II Levittown in  
>> Bucks County was the > fastest growing part of Pennsylvania and  
>> Penn Hills (Penn Township, > Alleghen!
>  y County) was second. My parents bought two adjoining 1/4 > acre  
> lots in Crescent Hills in 1937 and built a house on one of > them.  
> Meadow Gold Dairy gave customers an aerial photograph of the >  
> neighborhood ... about one lot in six or seven was filled in by >  
> 1940. The rest didn't fill in until the 1960s. It's solid > today.  
> But in the 1940s only the area around Black Ridge above >  
> Wilkinsburg was really filled in.> > Those perfectly symmetrical  
> square brick houses that you see all over > Allegheny County ...  
> walk in the front door and the living room is > either to the right  
> or left, the dining room is on the other side > with the kitchen  
> behind it. The stair case goes up from the front > door. with three  
> bedrooms and bath upstairs with the bath over the > kitchen. The  
> basement had a single car garage under the > kitchen. They are  
> purely late 1940s. Memorize the design and you > can see what  
> filled in after the war. Go up the hill from Linden > Grove on the  
> interurban and!
>   you will find that area filled with > them. That's where John  
> Swindle
> r's parents moved after leaving > Edgewood. A lot of homes in Penn  
> Hills are like that ... the post > war ones.> > If you local  
> hysterical society has a person qualified to teach the > basics of  
> architectural history of housing, I would suggest that it > is  
> something any railfan interested in something more than just the >  
> trolley cars should attend. Once you know the housing styles and >  
> when they were built, then you can tell what houses were there when  
> > the streetcar lines were there. You tell which homes were there >  
> before the trolleys, which were build because of the convenience of  
> > the trolleys, which post dated the trolleys. You will come to >  
> recognize trolley suburbs, bus suburbs. You can take such a course  
> > in European universities but unfortunately it is very uncommon in  
> the > U. S. A. However, I did find one offered by the Lancaster  
> County > Historical Society and you may equally lucky in your  
> area.> > You can also, with greater effort, do some of it on your !
>  own just by > working with maps. If this street appears first on a  
> 1922 map then > none of the houses could be earlier than that. If  
> you have enough > maps and enough street references and you look  
> long and hard enough, > you will become the expert. Sears Roebuck  
> used to sell houses in > their catalogs. Bear in mind that they  
> were never ahead of the > curve, always a little behind it. So if  
> you saw something in a 1915 > catalog, it was probably at the peak  
> of its popularity a few years > earlier.> > > > > On Dec 10, 2008,  
> at 4:37 PM, Barry, Matthew R wrote:> > > A lot more private right  
> of way that I had previously thought. > > Note where the line comes  
> off of Woodlawn Ave, crosses Forbes and > > goes into what is most  
> probably private right of way. It moves on > > in to areas that I  
> don't think any other carline really ever replaced.> >> > ----- 
> Original Message-----> > From: pittsburgh-railways- 
> bounce at lists.dementia.org > > [mailto:pittsburgh-railways- 
> bounce at lists.dementia!
>  .org] On Behalf Of > > Derrick J Brashear> > Sent: Wednesday,  
> December
>  10, 2008 4:07 PM> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> >  
> Subject: [PRCo] old maps of Pittsburgh and elsewhere reveal...> >>  
> > http://lnk.nu/images.library.pitt.edu/r8v> >> > note the location  
> of the trolley line through Schenley Park (also the> > inclines at  
> the foot of S 21st St and the J&L Coal incline by S > > 30th St.>  
> >> >> >> >> >
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