[PRCo] Re: Mattapan-Ashmont PCC-D Seats

[Ken & Tracie]

Only Milwaukee received TDH-4511s new. They were wider than the 4512s.
"Old Looks", "Loaves of Bread", "Trolley Killers", call 'em what you like. 
They were well designed, comfortable and long-lived.

Well into Milwaukee's "Fishbowl Era", as many as possible were used in 
extremely snowy weather as their weight distribution made them ideal on 
snowy streets. Many of the Fishbowls got the day off during blizzards.

And I can tell you from first hand experience they had great heating 
systems.

Oh, and I included a photo of a 1700 with a GMC coach at SHJ in a lousy 
attempt to tie this in with Western Pennsylvania traction. ;-)

K.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:55 AM
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Mattapan-Ashmont PCC-D Seats


> Relative youth is an interesting term, isn't it Ken.
>
> I remember people asking me at the Baltimore Streetcar Museum, "How
> many people will this car hold?"   My answer was, "At 5:15 in the
> afternoon, if you can stand on the street and look in any window and
> see daylight from the other windows on the other side of the car,
> there's room for more people."    Paraphrased, "As many as you can
> pack in."
>
> Last October I was in München (Munich, if you wish to Anglicize it)
> and observed that ageless philosophy in practice on a Sunday
> afternoon.   By best guess is that they were packing over 200 people
> in a single articulated car.  And we saw it over and over and over,
> route at route, car after car, all over the city.
>
> I always wondered who got the TDH 4510s and 4511s.   The common
> models were the 4509s with steel springs and then it jumped to 4512s
> with air suspension.   What was the difference with the 4511?   Width?
>
> I would love to see a complete GMC production list.   What was the
> 3611?   and why did they jump from the TDH 3612 to an air suspension
> TDH 3714?   Was there a 3613? Or was someone suspicious and there was
> no 13?   I have to admit, having driven a few GMs, that they built a
> nice vehicle.   They were easy to drive and the were certainly durable.
>
> Oh, and there were a lot of them in Pittsburgh. 


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