[PRCo] Milwaukee buses

[Fred Schneider]

Trolley killers? No, the automobile did that.   The bus just allowed  
the companies to remain in business and pay dividends to the  
stockholders a little while longer.

On Feb 7, 2008, at 7:39 AM, Ken & Tracie wrote:

> Only Milwaukee received TDH-4511s new. They were wider than the 4512s.
> "Old Looks", "Loaves of Bread", "Trolley Killers", call 'em what  
> you like.
> They were well designed, comfortable and long-lived.
>
> Well into Milwaukee's "Fishbowl Era", as many as possible were used in
> extremely snowy weather as their weight distribution made them  
> ideal on
> snowy streets. Many of the Fishbowls got the day off during blizzards.
>
> And I can tell you from first hand experience they had great heating
> systems.
>
> Oh, and I included a photo of a 1700 with a GMC coach at SHJ in a  
> lousy
> attempt to tie this in with Western Pennsylvania traction. ;-)
>
> K.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Schneider" <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> To: <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:55 AM
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Mattapan-Ashmont PCC-D Seats
>
>
>> Relative youth is an interesting term, isn't it Ken.
>>
>> I remember people asking me at the Baltimore Streetcar Museum, "How
>> many people will this car hold?"   My answer was, "At 5:15 in the
>> afternoon, if you can stand on the street and look in any window and
>> see daylight from the other windows on the other side of the car,
>> there's room for more people."    Paraphrased, "As many as you can
>> pack in."
>>
>> Last October I was in München (Munich, if you wish to Anglicize it)
>> and observed that ageless philosophy in practice on a Sunday
>> afternoon.   By best guess is that they were packing over 200 people
>> in a single articulated car.  And we saw it over and over and over,
>> route at route, car after car, all over the city.
>>
>> I always wondered who got the TDH 4510s and 4511s.   The common
>> models were the 4509s with steel springs and then it jumped to 4512s
>> with air suspension.   What was the difference with the 4511?    
>> Width?
>>
>> I would love to see a complete GMC production list.   What was the
>> 3611?   and why did they jump from the TDH 3612 to an air suspension
>> TDH 3714?   Was there a 3613? Or was someone suspicious and there was
>> no 13?   I have to admit, having driven a few GMs, that they built a
>> nice vehicle.   They were easy to drive and the were certainly  
>> durable.
>>
>> Oh, and there were a lot of them in Pittsburgh.
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