[PRCo] Re: Rail Mail EXtra - The "Roar of the Four"

[Fred Schneider]

Picture did not go through.   I sent Derrick a separate e-mail asking  
for an explanation.   The pictures were attached to the letter in my  
send box.

On Jan 27, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Phillip Clark Campbell wrote:

> I don't see any pictures here do I.
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> The PS from Mr. Volkmer is interesting isn't it.  It could be  
> interpreted many ways or restated.
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> 2-BART;  2-Muni  these underground and 2-Muni tracks on the surface  
> makes for 6 electrified 'tracks.'  Market Street downtown has 4- 
> lanes of trolley coaches with 4-sets of double wires doesn't it.   
> Can't remember offhand where the 4-lanes of coaches starts but it  
> runs for a considerable distance.  So it could be stated that there  
> are 10-'tracks' of electrified operations on lower Market couldn't it.
>
> Phil
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> PS  Is Mr. Volkmer still in Florida?
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org; Bente Bruce  
> <bbente at bellsouth.net>
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 2:58:28 PM
> Subject: [PRCo] Fwd: Rail Mail EXtra - The "Roar of the Four"
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>
> These appeared on my computer today ...
> Left top is Canal Street looking west from St. Charles immediately
> after World War II.   The center two tracks were used by Canal /
> Cemeteries cars.   The outer two tracks were used by other routes
> that came in to Canal and went around the block and went back out.
> The present St. Charles line comes in on Carondelet, one block away,
> runs toward the camera on Canal, and goes back out.    Not sure if
> the tracks on the right were on every other street.   It is obvious
> that the car on the far right track came into Canal on Royal
> (opposite St. Charles).   I think it went out on Bourbon.   May have
> been a Desire car.    The tall white building is the Maison Blanche
> (White House) Department Store.
>
> The car right shows San Francisco looking northeast on Market
> Street ... automobiles suggest the 1930w.   Municipal Railway had the
> outer two tracks.   Market Street Railway used the inner two.   I'm
> not a  100% certain but I suspect that's a B or a C car turning off
> onto Geary Street.   The cross street should be 3rd to the right and
> Kearny to the left.    Muni took over Market Street Railway in
> 1944.   It was politically correct at the time to abandon most of
> their routes, saving on a small portion of one line in the
> southwestern part of the city which is still in service today.
> Otherwise what runs today are all Muni lines.   The exception, of
> course, are the cables.  They were all pre 1906 and Muni is 1912.
> Am I correct Jim?
>
> And the lower right image looks east on West Superior Avenue toward
> Public Square in Cleveland from the entrance to the subway across the
> Detroit-Superior High Level Bridge across the Cuyahoga River.   The
> last streetcars in Cleveland ran across this bridge early in 1954.
> Cleveland Union Terminal is on the right.   Herb Brannon posted news
> of a tour of the lower deck (subway) of the bridge a few months ago.
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>> From: "bvolkmer" <bvolkmer at bellsouth.net>
>> Date: January 27, 2008 5:27:33 PM EST
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>> Subject: Rail Mail EXtra - The "Roar of the Four"
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>> All:
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>> Frank asked me some questions regarding how the four track lines
>> operated in New Orleans and San Francisco.
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>> So I depicted three systems with four track lines, each with a
>> different method.  In Cleveland there were two separate pairs of
>> lines in/out/in/out.  In San Francisco there were two competing
>> companies, one on the outside tracks and one on the inside tracks.
>> In New Orleans the outside tracks served as turning loops for cars
>> from the burbs.
>>
>> Canton, Ohio had FIVE tracks at one time but I don't have a good
>> picture of it.
>>
>> Bill Volkmer
>>
>> PS          For what its worth, Market Street has SIX electrified
>> tracks + two lanes of trolley coach, TODAY!
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