[PRCo] Re: Destination numbers

[John Swindler]

 That's not what the ad says, Fred.  It only says that these are the intial routes getting car numbers.  By 1917 35 and 36 are indicated on a planning study map available from digital history site.  35 was a West End route, and 36 went out Overbrook.  The map doesn't extend far enough to reveal if 36 or 37 was a Fairhaven short-turn. (like 40-41 and 42-43)   73 and 78 were combined as 73 Highland.  Rather 78 became 73 - maybe.  And via Ellsworth Av. discontinued.  The only thing worth noting was that North and South Highland were combined as 73 Highland. As Ed and I discussed over the weekend, the route numbers were a way to cut down on confusion in downtown Pittsburgh and East Liberty.  Why waste time and money adding route numbers to old single truck shuttle cars?  If its sitting on Bon Air ave., you know its the shuttle car.  And Atwood had some service that went downtown, so that is why it got a route number. And is there any proof that this was a City of Pittsburgh initiative?  Let's kill this rumor now before it becomes like the West Penn-TV legend, unless there is documentation.   Only one route was numbered 80.  It wasn't two different routes.  Same goes for 97 at any one time.     And numbers were not pirated from anywhere.  There was consolidation of routes around 1917 per some of the PUC/PSC information I provided you several years ago.  Don't forget what happened in 1924-1926. John  > CC: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> From: fwschneider at comcast.net> Subject: [PRCo] Destination numbers> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:22:38 -0400> To: j_swindler at hotmail.com; trams2 at comcast.net> > Note that 35 and 36 were not used in 1914.> > Note also that Sourth Highland was not 73 but rather 78. Numbers > 73, 74 and 75 were not used in 1914. And since 75 was not used, not > that Wilkinsburg via 5th was 77. Pittsburgh and Forward was 80 and > that number was also used as East Pittsburgh via Braddock and Rankin > (it went over the bridge to Talbot St.), then through Homestead and > then Browns Hill and Murray Avenue and in through Oakland. And 97 > was Highland Park via Butler and it was also a short turn from > McKeesport to Duquesne.> > None of the shuttles other than 81 were numbered so that 17, 9, 59, > 61, 63, 98, 99 later had to use numbers pirated from somewhere else.> > The routes that didn't run into Pittsburgh and were unaffected by > Pittsburgh City pestering the railways were also unaffected. So > Wilkinsburg-Oakmont-Verona borrowed 78 later from South Highland. > McKeesport got numbers later. Washington and Donora never needed > numbers because they never came into Pittsburgh. Trafford didn't > come into Pittsburgh so it didn't need a number. But they gave the > West Penn cars number 93 but the cars had no place to put the number! > > 
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