[PRCo] Re: Destination Numbers Effective March 1, 1914

[John Swindler]

Correct - should have said Superior Shadeland which probably did go downtown at one time.  That's why it got an early number.  And the other is Reedsdale in lower north side.  20 Rebecca is down in that neighborhood also.  There is a route 20 pix of high floor car on possibly 6th St. bridge on the digital Pittsburgh site.
 
As for 42 and 43, the Beechview-Dormont line went into single track at Potomac - or possibly Neeld Ave.  That was a recent surprise.  But 43 was the short-turn.
 
There were several early migrations of route numbers and changes in route names until things kind of became cast in concrete.  
 
John
 
> From: fwschneider at comcast.net> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Destination Numbers Effective March 1, 1914> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 22:43:55 -0400> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> > No, Sir. Reesdale is down in lower Allegheny. If 17 crosses Woods > Run Avenue, that is the Superior Shadeland route and it then did have > two different route numbers, 16 and 17.> > This makes sense because Superior - Shadeland probably ran downtown > in 1914.> > The 17 in my lifetime was a shuttle line between the Manchester > Bridge and the 6th St. Bridge on General Robinson Street that was > created when 20 finally was allowed to cross the Manchester Bridge > instead of using the 6th St. Bridge.> > On Jun 7, 2008, at 10:33 PM, Phillip Clark Campbell wrote:> > > ----- Original Message ----> >> From: John Swindler <j_swindler at hotmail.com>> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> >> Sent: Saturday, June 7, 2008 7:17:40 PM> >> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Destination Numbers Effective March 1, 1914> >>> >> 17 goes over a high bridge across Woods Run. More commonly known > >> as Reedsdale.> >>> >> Concerning 21, reference is because it didn't go downtown.> >>> >> The two paired routes were the Bloomfield loop and the Forbes- > >> Shady-Penn loop;> >> sort of an inner loop and an outer loop. Different numbers were to > >> indicate> >> clockwise and counter-clockwise.> >>> >> 43 was a short turn on 42;> >> > The listing in the scan provided by Mr.Lybarger indicated this:> >> > 42-Beechview (not 42-Dormont)> > 43-Neeld> >> > Both are/seem the same don't they.> >> >> > Phil> >> >> >> >> 41 was a short turn on 40; 65 and 66 were short turns> >> on 64; and I'm wondering if 37 was short turn on 36??? Fairhaven > >> was Frederick> >> St. in Overbrook, if memory serves, and both 36 and 37 were shown > >> on a 1917 map> >> as going out what's now the Overbrook line. 35 was a West End > >> route at this> >> time.> >>> >> The numbers were introduced in 1914, but the PRC system went > >> through a period of> >> rationalization of routes within five years. Shuttle routes were > >> generally> >> omitted from the initial two digit route number system. And > >> probably didn't all> >> happen on one day in 1914, but this would require further research.> >>> >> Joh> > http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/Destination% > > 20Numbers%20Ad%203-7-14%20Top.jpg>> >>>>>>> >> http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/Destination% > >> 20Numbers%20Ad%203-7-14%20Bottom.jpg>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 
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