[PRCo] Re: Shoulda, Coulda, would

Wed Jun 11 23:56:56 EDT 2008

 That was the problem.  PennDOT didn't take PRC off the hook in all/some of these small municipalities, but did take them off the hook on state highways and in the city.  Or rather PennHwy, city and PRC got together and played 'lets make a deal'.  (opps, I'd never say that <gg>)  And then the PUC blessed the 'deal', and printed the decision.

PennHwy purchased PRC right of way in the point for around $300,000 which was used by PRC to purchase replacement buses.  In years to come like late 1960/1970s, some of these municipalities went after PAT for rail removal.  Bridges might have also been involved. And as for Amtrak, co-worker sent me an email this morning concerning proposed Bush veto of Amtrak funding because Congress increased funding.  Priceless comments.  will follow

Back to PRC - it was the cost of track removal that might have played a big part in decisions during last decade of PRC.  Track removal elsewhere was a consideration for Second Ave.  It wasn't a consideration for Millvale.

Let me clarify, first 13 years of PRC (II) to bring up a different question.

This is really a question for legal clarification, because I don't know.  Recently stumbled across history of Pittway.  It claimed that company was created in 1950.   Interesting.   

That would be when PRC came out of last reorganization.  So I wondered if in Philadelphia, is PRT considered the same corporation as PTC??  And if not, would PRC of 1950s NOT be the same PRC of the 1920?  Any legal experts on the list?? 

For record, PRC was renamed Pittway after PAT settlement.  In the Philadelphia case, PTC was dissolved, if memory serves.

John > From: fwschneider at comcast.net> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Shoulda, Coulda, would> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:57:59 -0400> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> > And the PennDOT offer was we'll take you off the hook in Crafton, > Carnegie, McKees Rocks, Ingram, etc. Right John? A wonderful > trump card when you're loosing money anyway.> > The most recent Railfan and Railroad features a telephone interview > with Dave Gunn from his home in Nova Scotia ... the man is free to > talk now that he is gone. Amtrak had to get rid of him because he > just wasn't, what is the term John, a team player? He wanted to > keep the railroad that Bush wanted to destroy. Now why would Bush > want to get rid of it? Might it be that it competes with the oil > and highway interests?> > If you are a private president, then you still do what the board > wants you to do. If you are heading up a tobacco company, then you > tell the media that tobacco has no proven health hazards. If you > are with ExxonMobil, you make sure your website shows that we have > only used up 17 percent of the world's oil reserves even though some > of the best brains in the industry are saying we've already used half > the world's oil. No matter who you work for, you do exactly what you > are told to do.> > The Resident Cynic> > On Jun 11, 2008, at 9:19 PM, John Swindler wrote:> > >> > Far too often board of directors tend to be not much more then a > > collection of 'empty suits'. Just ask David Gunn. For the most > > part, they are beholden to the politicans that appointed them to > > the board. And doesn't seem to matter too much whether public or > > private.> >> > Harley Swift was the initial Executive Director. He was an ATE guy > > from Harrisburg Railways, but he did favor retention of some rail > > lines. He had PAT contract with Gorden Thompson for a study on > > available rail rights of way in the Pittsburgh district that could > > be used for rapid transit. The write-up on the Harmony line > > is ....... rather sickening. It was, for most part, all there. > > That was a real 'shoulda, coulda, would....'> >> > Swift was succeeded by John Dameron from St. Louis. There is a > > story that he met privately with a judge on the initial PAT board, > > and the rest is history. This was from either Tennyson or Grant > > McCoy. Dameron presided over the conversion of most of the rail > > system, but it was going to happen anyway. The private rights of > > way just weren't there.> >> > The question no one seems to want to ask is why did PRC rail lines > > last as long as they did. Check out the PUC decision for the west > > end rail lines. Essentually the highway department made PRC an > > offer they could not refuse. Railfans tend to ignore all the small > > municipalities in Allegheny County with street trackage.> >> > Just an opinion.> >> > John> >> From: mtoytrain at bellsouth.net> To: pittsburgh- > >> railways at dementia.org> Subject: [PRCo] Shoulda, Coulda, would> > >> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:39:17 +0000> > If in fact there were > >> people with a mind for Rail Transit on the initial PAT board of > >> directors like some> of you good men, what would the PAT PRCo be > >> like today as far as street car lines, what would or> should have > >> been kept, a streetcar line to Oakland, Wilkensburg, North Hills > >> or to the West End? With the gas costs so high today, would in > >> fact modern street cars have been less expensive to operate, just > >> was> wondering what should, coulda or would have happened if the > >> right people were in charge.> Your comments are appreciated. > --> > >> From the RIVER CITY by the Sea! > Jerry "Matt" Matsick > J A C K S > >> O N V I L L E, Florida ! >> > _________________________________________________________________> > It’s easy to add contacts from Facebook and other social sites > > through Windows Live™ Messenger. Learn how.> > https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnHow> >> > > 
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