[PRCo] Re: Shoulda, Coulda, would

[Edward H. Lybarger]

The 1950 PRC was a new corporation to which the court assigned assets
previously owned by the failed one.  The date and usage are correct. 

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From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of John
Swindler
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:57 PM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: Shoulda, Coulda, would

 That was the problem.  PennDOT didn't take PRC off the hook in all/some of
these small municipalities, but did take them off the hook on state highways
and in the city.  Or rather PennHwy, city and PRC got together and played
'lets make a deal'.  (opps, I'd never say that <gg>)  And then the PUC
blessed the 'deal', and printed the decision.
 
PennHwy purchased PRC right of way in the point for around $300,000 which
was used by PRC to purchase replacement buses.  In years to come like late
1960/1970s, some of these municipalities went after PAT for rail removal.
Bridges might have also been involved. And as for Amtrak, co-worker sent me
an email this morning concerning proposed Bush veto of Amtrak funding
because Congress increased funding.  Priceless comments.  will follow
 
Back to PRC - it was the cost of track removal that might have played a big
part in decisions during last decade of PRC.  Track removal elsewhere was a
consideration for Second Ave.  It wasn't a consideration for Millvale.
 
Let me clarify, first 13 years of PRC (II) to bring up a different question.
 
This is really a question for legal clarification, because I don't know.
Recently stumbled across history of Pittway.  It claimed that company was
created in 1950.   Interesting.   
 
That would be when PRC came out of last reorganization.  So I wondered if in
Philadelphia, is PRT considered the same corporation as PTC??  And if not,
would PRC of 1950s NOT be the same PRC of the 1920?  Any legal experts on
the list?? 
 
For record, PRC was renamed Pittway after PAT settlement.  In the
Philadelphia case, PTC was dissolved, if memory serves.
 
John > From: fwschneider at comcast.net> Subject: [PRCo] Re: Shoulda, Coulda,
would> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:57:59 -0400> To:
pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org> > And the PennDOT offer was we'll take you
off the hook in Crafton, > Carnegie, McKees Rocks, Ingram, etc. Right John?
A wonderful > trump card when you're loosing money anyway.> > The most
recent Railfan and Railroad features a telephone interview > with Dave Gunn
from his home in Nova Scotia ... the man is free to > talk now that he is
gone. Amtrak had to get rid of him because he > just wasn't, what is the
term John, a team player? He wanted to > keep the railroad that Bush wanted
to destroy. Now why would Bush > want to get rid of it? Might it be that it
competes with the oil > and highway interests?> > If you are a private
president, then you still do what the board > wants you to do. If you are
heading up a tobacco company, then you > tell the media that tobacco has no
proven health hazards. If you > are with Exx!
 onMobil, you make sure your website shows that we have > only used up 17
percent of the world's oil reserves even though some > of the best brains in
the industry are saying we've already used half > the world's oil. No matter
who you work for, you do exactly what you > are told to do.> > The Resident
Cynic> > On Jun 11, 2008, at 9:19 PM, John Swindler wrote:> > >> > Far too
often board of directors tend to be not much more then a > > collection of
'empty suits'. Just ask David Gunn. For the most > > part, they are beholden
to the politicans that appointed them to > > the board. And doesn't seem to
matter too much whether public or > > private.> >> > Harley Swift was the
initial Executive Director. He was an ATE guy > > from Harrisburg Railways,
but he did favor retention of some rail > > lines. He had PAT contract with
Gorden Thompson for a study on > > available rail rights of way in the
Pittsburgh district that could > > be used for rapid transit. The write-up
on the Har!
 mony line > > is ....... rather sickening. It was, for most part, all
there. > > That was a real 'shoulda, coulda, would....'> >> > Swift was
succeeded by John Dameron from St. Louis. There is a > > story that he met
privately with a judge on the initial PAT board, > > and the rest is
history. This was from either Tennyson or Grant > > McCoy. Dameron presided
over the conversion of most of the rail > > system, but it was going to
happen anyway. The private rights of > > way just weren't there.> >> > The
question no one seems to want to ask is why did PRC rail lines > > last as
long as they did. Check out the PUC decision for the west > > end rail
lines. Essentually the highway department made PRC an > > offer they could
not refuse. Railfans tend to ignore all the small > > municipalities in
Allegheny County with street trackage.> >> > Just an opinion.> >> > John> >>
From: mtoytrain at bellsouth.net> To: pittsburgh- > >> railways at dementia.org>
Subject: [PRCo] Shoulda, Coulda, would> > >> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:39:17
+0000> > If in fact there we!
 re > >> people with a mind for Rail Transit on the initial PAT board of >
>> directors like some> of you good men, what would the PAT PRCo be > >>
like today as far as street car lines, what would or> should have > >> been
kept, a streetcar line to Oakland, Wilkensburg, North Hills > >> or to the
West End? With the gas costs so high today, would in > >> fact modern street
cars have been less expensive to operate, just > >> was> wondering what
should, coulda or would have happened if the > >> right people were in
charge.> Your comments are appreciated. > --> > >> From the RIVER CITY by
the Sea! > Jerry "Matt" Matsick > J A C K S > >> O N V I L L E, Florida ! >>
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