[PRCo] Re: SE DE

[Fred Schneider]

Phil:

That is the way I understood it.

fws

On May 18, 2008, at 1:13 PM, Phillip Clark Campbell wrote:

> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: John Swindler <j_swindler at hotmail.com>
>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 6:54:09 AM
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: SE DE
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>> You could almost claim that all large cities eventually went to  
>> single end
>> operation, and then note the exceptions.  And why would the large  
>> cities do this
>> but not the Lancasters?   As Russ, Herb and I have been claiming:   
>> headways.
>> And this was a lesson lost on MUNI management by 1970s.
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>> That was the major consideration pushing this issue.  Just about  
>> everything else
>> was secondary.
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> Mr.Swindler;
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> It seems that assumptions are being made here aren't they.  In SF  
> BART controlled subway construction, even that of Muni to West  
> Portal didn't they.  It was BART and not Muni who determined the  
> Embarcadero configuration.  This is what I had always heard wasn't  
> it but this could be rumor; I checked the SF books and find this to  
> be true.
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> Muni wanted to run their PCCs in the subway as a pre-Metro style  
> operation somewhat like many European cities who used the older  
> equipment in new subways until equipment was upgraded.  Such  
> required a loop.  Early battles between BART and Muni centered on  
> surface vs subway loop and transpired for many years.
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> BART was in control weren't they and short of dollars so pushed for  
> the current Embarcadero design in spite of many years of talk about  
> surface vs subway loops.  Even after BART pushed the design of a  
> stub terminal quasi-successfully new managers at Muni revived the  
> idea of a loop.  With help from UMTA a consultant was hired to  
> again study the plan for a loop.  Even Klauder's staff  (Klauder  
> worked on design of lrv,) but apparently not the man himself,  
> advised for a loop near Embarcadero.
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> Thus Muni itself wanted a subway loop didn't it; BART forced the  
> stub terminal.
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