[PRCo] Re: More photos

Tue Apr 28 10:01:27 EDT 2009

88 Transit and Suburban were not in business in the early '50s.  They were a
late '50s result of Greyhound's decision to get out of the local service
business that they had acquired in 1955 through the purchase of Blue Ridge
from Potomac Edison. 

-----Original Message-----
From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
[mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of John
Swindler
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:44 AM
To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
Subject: [PRCo] Re: More photos

Hi Ed

The low 100 series were ex. West Penn and seemed to be assigned to route
through Bridgeville.  The 600-700s were ex Harmony and seemed to be
concentrated in New Kensington.  There were additional used buses in the
Community fleet, but these were most noticeable.

The 310 was ex. Pittsburgh Railways acquired 1958/59, probably for either
60/68 conversion or West End conversion.  It was not renumbered.  PAT
apparently took the PRC fleet, and renumbered the independent operators
around the PRC fleet numbers.  Most of the independents were two digit fleet
numbers.

But PAT/PRC 310 was a TDH 4512 which was a 35 foot bus.  The 310 in the
picture has one less window between front and center door.  So it might be a
TDH 3612 or 3714.  I'm suspecting Beaver Valley Motor Coach, 88 Transit,
Lincoln Coach or Suburban Lines.  Also suspect we can get our hands on some
fleet information for these operators this weekend.

Cheers

John

> From: trams2 at comcast.net
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: More photos
> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:29:34 -0400
> 
> Then the road numbers are wrong. Some of Community's 100-series were 
> ex-West Penn, with their original numbers.
> 
> The paint scheme was a GM standard; all the operator had to do was 
> pick the colors.
> 
> Who did you say was the underlying company that provided PAT 310? 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of 
> John Swindler
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:49 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: More photos
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Ed
> 
> 
> 
> I looked up Community Transit in the December 1976 Motor Coach Age, 
> but there is only one photo of a Community bus. It's old look 774, ex 
> Harmony TDH 3207. The roster included 101-137 and 622-778 (ex Harmony 
> numbers) The paint scheme is ok, but the fleet number is located in lower
front center.
> 
> 
> 
> This would have been a good question for Ollie Miller.
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: trams2 at comcast.net
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: More photos
> > Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:18:40 -0400
> > 
> > Ralph says to think Community Transit. 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> > [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of 
> > John Swindler
> > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:30 PM
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: More photos
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > How about this view of an ex. PRC old look bus in the same series. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://community.webshots.com/photo/fullsize/2524910710092660502avsV
> > yX
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It's dated circa 1980, and with red stripe across front instead of 'v'
> > design, the 'Pat bus crash' was not a PAT bus. I was fooled by the 
> > number coincidence. That is the PAT bus crash pix would be the right 
> > bus model and fleet number to fit within the PAT number scheme, but 
> > apparently it isn't a PAT bus crash.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Looking forward to what Ed finds out this evening.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > John
> > 
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> > 
> > > From: trams2 at comcast.net
> > > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > > Subject: [PRCo] Re: More photos
> > > Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:21:43 -0400
> > > 
> > > The date on the bus accident could well be correct. This is not 
> > > the 1980 accident near Palm Garden. This is a private operator's 
> > > bus #310...there's a research project for someone!
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> > > [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf 
> > > Of Phillip Clark Campbell
> > > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 6:41 PM
> > > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > > Subject: [PRCo] More photos
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Quite a few very interesting photos; this could almost be a real 
> > > estate diversion couldn't it:
> > > 
> > > http://tinyurl.com/1601sHighWater - Location?
> > > 
> > > http://tinyurl.com/StreetFlood-1950 - Location?
> > > 
> > > http://tinyurl.com/NarrowBridge - Location?
> > > 
> > > http://tinyurl.com/Courthouse19520404 - Low bridge ahead, bus!
> > > 
> > > http://tinyurl.com/ForbesFlood-1950 - not a few photos show flooding.
> > > 
> > > http://tinyurl.com/OaklandFifthToEast - this is an incredibly 
> > > beautiful aerial isn't it -- 1601, 17xx, ten or eleven, and one of 
> > > those PCCs in the distance!
> > > 
> > > http://tinyurl.com/5thKaufmannConstruction - How would trolley 
> > > service be rerouted?
> > > 
> > > http://tinyurl.com/17xx-71-5thDowntown-1950
> > > 
> > > http://tinyurl.com/PatBusCrash - Date is wrong by at least 14-years.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Phil
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