[PRCo] Re: FW: Nice PA Trolley Museum article in today's Post-Gazette

[Schneider Fred]

Yup.   We both know that.

The issue isn't the 99 lines.   Who cars about that.

The real issue is the cost of doing business.   If we don't try to  
educate the journalists and they in turn don't try to educate the  
public, does that presume that the public is brain dead?

Perhaps you should not answer that.


On Aug 2, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Edward H. Lybarger wrote:

> Yes, but it's difficult to assume the public can or will understand  
> any of
> that.
>
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> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of
> Schneider Fred
> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 5:16 PM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: FW: Nice PA Trolley Museum article in today's
> Post-Gazette
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> I guess my only two comments are that there more than 99 routes  
> because the
> shuttle lines were not initially numbered until there were enough
> abandonments to allow them to be given numbers.
>
> My other comment is that the fares prior to 1964 theoretically were
> sufficient to permit the private companies to pay off the invested  
> capital
> (although the stock and bond holders often took a blood bath in  
> various
> bankruptcies) and to pay taxes to support government
> operations.   We have pictures of those earliest horse car drivers
> with license badges on their lapels, just one form of taxation.
> Another was the insidious 50 cent tax on every line pole (why do  
> you think
> they attached span wires to buildings?).  That would be about $700  
> to $1,000
> a block annually in today's money.
>
> And today we have no real idea how much the fare is because so much  
> of it is
> hidden in taxes and lottery proceeds, but somewhere around
> $8 to $12 per passenger per trip is close and not the $2 the
> journalist suggests.   The other flaw is that, because we never pay
> off Federal government loans, the original cost of a subway or a  
> bus or a
> light rail car just stays there added to the cost of the next  
> order ... we
> simply issue new federal bonds and pay the interest year after  
> year, century
> after century, but we do not necessarily
> attribute it to transit.   We really don't know where it went.
>
> Furd
>
> On Aug 2, 2009, at 11:35 AM, Edward H. Lybarger wrote:
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>> Thought I'd share Scott Becker's email about the P-G article.  I  
>> would
>> add that the gentleman from the P-G, and the photograper as well,  
>> were
>> first-class.  The reporter was intelligent, asked good questions and
>> recorded the answers correctly.  His is the transit beat and he
>> acknowledged that he had to understand it in order to cover it.  He
>> was enthusiastic about his job.
>>
>> I wish more in the media had his sense of responsibility and ethics.
>>
>> Ed
>>   _____
>>
>> From: Scott Becker [mailto:sbecker at pa-trolley.org]
>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 10:17 AM
>>
>> Subject: Nice PA Trolley Museum article in today's Post-Gazette
>>
>>
>>
>> There was a nice article in today's Pittsburgh Post Gazette about the
>> 150th Anniversary of Pittsburgh Transit event we are having this
>> Thursday- Sunday.
>> Please go to:
>>
>> http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09214/987830-147.stm
>>
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>>
>> The cake cutting ceremony will be at approx 12:30pm on Thursday  
>> August
>> 6th at the Horse Car in the Trolley Display Building and you are all
>> invited!
>> If attending, there will be a streetcar leaving Richfol at 12:15pm.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Scott
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