[PRCo] Re: 3807

[John Bromley]

Never mind - I looked it up and it was 1614 and 1646 on the fantrip.


> From: Ed Lybarger <trams2 at comcast.net>
> Reply-To: Pittsburgh Railways Group <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:02:03 -0400
> To: Pittsburgh Railways Group <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 3807
> 
> I published one in the calendar a couple years back of 1617 SB at Black
> Diamond in regular service, signed Shannon-Charleroi.  I also have a couple
> photos of 1600s stranded in the snow at Roscoe during the 1950
> post-Thanksgiving event.  But they're scarce as hens' teeth, for sure.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of John
> Bromley
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:22 PM
> To: Pittsburgh Railways Group
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 3807
> 
> I've seen a lot of photos and never a 1600 IN SERVICE on CHARLEROI - there
> was a fantrip that ran down to at least Black Diamond Junction and probably
> beyond, but I haven't seen any photos south of BD that I can recall.
> 
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>> From: Fred Schneider <fwschneider at comcast.net>
>> Reply-To: Pittsburgh Railways Group <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:27:28 -0400
>> To: Pittsburgh Railways Group <pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org>
>> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 3807
>> 
>> We know that the 1614, 1615, 1616, 1617, 1618, 1645, 1646, 1647, 1848
>> (a total of 9 cars) were providing base service to Washington in
>> 1946-1948).    This probably resulted in the worst
>> 3700s and 3800s being removed from service.   Hamley might be the one
>> who knows which 3700s and 3800s went out of service.   Tunnel also
>> had 1200s so they were probably working Castle Shannon at the time as
>> were some 3750s and maybe some 5000s and 5400s and 4900s.  To the best
>> of my knowledge, Charleroi did not get PCCs until 1949 and then it got
>> 1700s.
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>> On Aug 26, 2009, at 7:03 PM, John Swindler wrote:
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>>> Unfortunately there may not be a picture of front or other side to
>>> see if there was accident damage.  This is post WWII.  Were 12s and
>>> 16s being used on Overbrook lines at this date?  Maybe 3807 was just
>>> the first to be phased out of service?????
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>>>> From: trams2 at comcast.net
>>>> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
>>>> Subject: [PRCo] 3807
>>>> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:18:13 -0400
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>>>> There was recently some discussion about PRCo 3807. For years
>>>> stories have circulated about how this car never ran in service, but
>>>> the facts do not appear to bear this out.
>>>> 
>>>> Let's begin with the Charles Dengler note that accompanies the
>>>> attached photo of the car inside the Homewood Shops in November
>>>> 1945:
>>>> 
>>>> "We have been told that 3807 made a round trip on the Charleroi
>>>> line, and she came back 8 inches out of line (her body). Knowing
>>>> PRCo track, this is quite possible. St Louis Car Co. built 3800-3814
>>>> in 1928. St Louis Car Co said they would not stock parts for the
>>>> 3800s. PRCo then did not pay for 3807, but kept her for parts, and
>>>> the 3100, 3300 type trucks she sets [sic] on, were used so that the
>>>> original trucks could be spares for the other 3800s, they had a long
>>>> wheel base and 28" wheels."
>>>> 
>>>> This is a story that a railfan could love. It has that mystique that
>>>> sets this car apart as really different. So what's wrong with it?
>>>> 
>>>> First...St. Louis Car warranted its products against structural
>>>> defects, ot it wouldn't have sold any. Had there been such a problem
>>>> in the beginning, it would have been adjusted.
>>>> 
>>>> Secondly...and most compelling to me...is the fact that 3807
>>>> received a complete #1 paint job on January 19, 1934, right on
>>>> schedule for the series.
>>>> If it was damaged in 1928 and was never run (or paid for) in
>>>> service, why would it need new paint? The fact that the "Watch Car
>>>> Turn"
>>>> lettering has
>>>> been added to the rear of the car (it was not there originally, as
>>>> illustrated in Union Switch & Signal's photo C-26772 of car 3802
>>>> when the Washington signals were new) clearly implies that it was in
>>>> service, as do the Depression-era institutional advertising signs
>>>> showing in the windows.
>>>> 
>>>> So clearly the car was in service for at least five years and four
>>>> months.
>>>> What happened after that is the $64 question.
>>>> 
>>>> Ed
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