[PRCo] Re: 3807

[John Swindler]

Were the low-3700s generally on Charleroi and 3800s on Washington, or were 3800s generally base service and 3700s generally peak service?  

 

Just an impression from pictures you have seen - no need to waste any time researching.  

 

I was amused by comment concerning 3756.  If I understood correctly, 'it rides well with a full load, but tends to bounce a lot when empty'.  

 

John

 

 

 


 
> From: fwschneider at comcast.net
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 3807
> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:27:28 -0400
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
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> We know that the 1614, 1615, 1616, 1617, 1618, 1645, 1646, 1647, 1848 
> (a total of 9 cars) were providing base service to Washington in 
> 1946-1948). This probably resulted in the worst
> 3700s and 3800s being removed from service. Hamley might be the one 
> who knows which 3700s and 3800s went out of service. Tunnel also 
> had 1200s so they were probably working Castle Shannon at the time as 
> were some 3750s and maybe some 5000s and 5400s and 4900s. To the 
> best of my knowledge, Charleroi did not get PCCs until 1949 and then 
> it got 1700s.
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> On Aug 26, 2009, at 7:03 PM, John Swindler wrote:
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> > Unfortunately there may not be a picture of front or other side to 
> > see if there was accident damage. This is post WWII. Were 12s and 
> > 16s being used on Overbrook lines at this date? Maybe 3807 was 
> > just the first to be phased out of service?????
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> >> From: trams2 at comcast.net
> >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> >> Subject: [PRCo] 3807
> >> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:18:13 -0400
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> >> There was recently some discussion about PRCo 3807. For years 
> >> stories have
> >> circulated about how this car never ran in service, but the facts 
> >> do not
> >> appear to bear this out.
> >>
> >> Let's begin with the Charles Dengler note that accompanies the 
> >> attached
> >> photo of the car inside the Homewood Shops in November 1945:
> >>
> >> "We have been told that 3807 made a round trip on the Charleroi 
> >> line, and
> >> she came back 8 inches out of line (her body). Knowing PRCo track, 
> >> this is
> >> quite possible. St Louis Car Co. built 3800-3814 in 1928. St Louis 
> >> Car Co
> >> said they would not stock parts for the 3800s. PRCo then did not 
> >> pay for
> >> 3807, but kept her for parts, and the 3100, 3300 type trucks she 
> >> sets [sic]
> >> on, were used so that the original trucks could be spares for the 
> >> other
> >> 3800s, they had a long wheel base and 28" wheels."
> >>
> >> This is a story that a railfan could love. It has that mystique 
> >> that sets
> >> this car apart as really different. So what's wrong with it?
> >>
> >> First...St. Louis Car warranted its products against structural 
> >> defects, ot
> >> it wouldn't have sold any. Had there been such a problem in the 
> >> beginning,
> >> it would have been adjusted.
> >>
> >> Secondly...and most compelling to me...is the fact that 3807 
> >> received a
> >> complete #1 paint job on January 19, 1934, right on schedule for 
> >> the series.
> >> If it was damaged in 1928 and was never run (or paid for) in 
> >> service, why
> >> would it need new paint? The fact that the "Watch Car Turn" 
> >> lettering has
> >> been added to the rear of the car (it was not there originally, as
> >> illustrated in Union Switch & Signal's photo C-26772 of car 3802 
> >> when the
> >> Washington signals were new) clearly implies that it was in 
> >> service, as do
> >> the Depression-era institutional advertising signs showing in the 
> >> windows.
> >>
> >> So clearly the car was in service for at least five years and four 
> >> months.
> >> What happened after that is the $64 question.
> >>
> >> Ed
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> >> 20Homewood%2011-18-45.jpg
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