[PRCo] Re: 3807

Thu Aug 27 12:15:43 EDT 2009

Yes, the comment originated with you, Ed.  I found it to be an interesting observation.  

John

> From: trams2 at comcast.net
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 3807
> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:55:59 -0400
> 
> You will get different answers to this question from different people. Many
> will say that the 3800s were primarily on Charleroi and the 3700s on
> Washington. But the photographic evidence doesn't bear this out. Neither
> do the reports of signal failure from the 1940s. Both types were used on
> both routes.
> 
> The comment about 3756 likely originated with me. It was based on two trips
> last year - one that I operated with a near-empty car and another shortly
> thereafter with a good load. The trucks are "loose" as they've not been
> rebuilt at PTM. We are trying to keep this car as prototypical as possible,
> consistent with safety. It will not get the 4398 treatment.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org
> [mailto:pittsburgh-railways-bounce at lists.dementia.org] On Behalf Of John
> Swindler
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:40 AM
> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> Subject: [PRCo] Re: 3807
> 
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> Were the low-3700s generally on Charleroi and 3800s on Washington, or were
> 3800s generally base service and 3700s generally peak service? 
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> Just an impression from pictures you have seen - no need to waste any time
> researching. 
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> I was amused by comment concerning 3756. If I understood correctly, 'it
> rides well with a full load, but tends to bounce a lot when empty'. 
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> John
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> > From: fwschneider at comcast.net
> > Subject: [PRCo] Re: 3807
> > Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:27:28 -0400
> > To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > 
> > We know that the 1614, 1615, 1616, 1617, 1618, 1645, 1646, 1647, 1848 
> > (a total of 9 cars) were providing base service to Washington in 
> > 1946-1948). This probably resulted in the worst 3700s and 3800s being 
> > removed from service. Hamley might be the one who knows which 3700s 
> > and 3800s went out of service. Tunnel also had 1200s so they were 
> > probably working Castle Shannon at the time as were some 3750s and 
> > maybe some 5000s and 5400s and 4900s. To the best of my knowledge, 
> > Charleroi did not get PCCs until 1949 and then it got 1700s.
> > 
> > 
> > On Aug 26, 2009, at 7:03 PM, John Swindler wrote:
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> > > Unfortunately there may not be a picture of front or other side to 
> > > see if there was accident damage. This is post WWII. Were 12s and 
> > > 16s being used on Overbrook lines at this date? Maybe 3807 was just 
> > > the first to be phased out of service?????
> > >
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> > >
> > >> From: trams2 at comcast.net
> > >> To: pittsburgh-railways at dementia.org
> > >> Subject: [PRCo] 3807
> > >> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:18:13 -0400
> > >>
> > >> Content-Type: text/plain;
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> > >> There was recently some discussion about PRCo 3807. For years 
> > >> stories have circulated about how this car never ran in service, 
> > >> but the facts do not appear to bear this out.
> > >>
> > >> Let's begin with the Charles Dengler note that accompanies the 
> > >> attached photo of the car inside the Homewood Shops in November 
> > >> 1945:
> > >>
> > >> "We have been told that 3807 made a round trip on the Charleroi 
> > >> line, and she came back 8 inches out of line (her body). Knowing 
> > >> PRCo track, this is quite possible. St Louis Car Co. built 
> > >> 3800-3814 in 1928. St Louis Car Co said they would not stock parts 
> > >> for the 3800s. PRCo then did not pay for 3807, but kept her for 
> > >> parts, and the 3100, 3300 type trucks she sets [sic] on, were used 
> > >> so that the original trucks could be spares for the other 3800s, 
> > >> they had a long wheel base and 28" wheels."
> > >>
> > >> This is a story that a railfan could love. It has that mystique 
> > >> that sets this car apart as really different. So what's wrong with 
> > >> it?
> > >>
> > >> First...St. Louis Car warranted its products against structural 
> > >> defects, ot it wouldn't have sold any. Had there been such a 
> > >> problem in the beginning, it would have been adjusted.
> > >>
> > >> Secondly...and most compelling to me...is the fact that 3807 
> > >> received a complete #1 paint job on January 19, 1934, right on 
> > >> schedule for the series.
> > >> If it was damaged in 1928 and was never run (or paid for) in 
> > >> service, why would it need new paint? The fact that the "Watch Car 
> > >> Turn"
> > >> lettering has
> > >> been added to the rear of the car (it was not there originally, as 
> > >> illustrated in Union Switch & Signal's photo C-26772 of car 3802 
> > >> when the Washington signals were new) clearly implies that it was 
> > >> in service, as do the Depression-era institutional advertising 
> > >> signs showing in the windows.
> > >>
> > >> So clearly the car was in service for at least five years and four 
> > >> months.
> > >> What happened after that is the $64 question.
> > >>
> > >> Ed
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >> -- URL : http://lists.dementia.org/files/pittsburgh-railways/3807%
> > >> 20Homewood%2011-18-45.jpg
> > >>
> > >>
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